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AMD Advancing AI: MI350X and MI400 UALoE72, MI500 UAL256

For the past six months, AMD has been in a Wartime stance . They have been working hard and working smart towards their goal of being competitive with Nvidia. At its Advancing AI 2025 event, AMD launched the MI350X/MI355X GPUs which could be competitive to Nvidia’s HGX B200 solutions for inference of small to medium LLMs on a performance per TCO basis. Notwithstanding the reality distortion field projected by AMD, the MI355X is not a rack scale product, and it is not competitive against Nvidia’s GB200 NVL72 at frontier model inference or training.

過去六個月,AMD 一直處於「戰時」狀態。他們以更積極且更有效率的方式朝與 Nvidia 競爭的目標前進。在 Advancing AI 2025 活動上,AMD 推出 MI350X/MI355X GPU;若以每單位 TCO 的效能衡量,這些產品在小至中型 LLM 推論上可能可與 Nvidia 的 HGX B200 解決方案競爭。不過,儘管 AMD 營造出強烈的現實扭曲場,MI355X 並不是機櫃級產品,在前沿模型推論或訓練上也無法與 Nvidia 的 GB200 NVL72 競爭。

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Claim: AMD 在 Advancing AI 2025 推出 MI350X/MI355X;SemiAnalysis 認為其在 small-to-medium LLM inference 的 perf/TCO 有機會與 HGX B200 競爭。
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Claim: SemiAnalysis 判斷 MI355X 不是 rack-scale product,且在 frontier inference/training 不具 GB200 NVL72 競爭力。
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Instead, it is the MI400 Series that is a true rack scale solution that could potentially be competitive with Nvidia’s VR200 NVL144 rack scale solutions in H2 2026. There is also some marketing spin around the MI400 Series as AMD has renamed its “IF over Ethernet” protocol to “UALink Protocol over Ethernet”, which is not real UALink.

真正的機櫃級解決方案反而是 MI400 Series,它到 2026 年下半年有機會與 Nvidia 的 VR200 NVL144 機櫃級方案競爭。不過 MI400 Series 也帶有一些行銷包裝,例如 AMD 將原本的「IF over Ethernet」協定改名為「UALink Protocol over Ethernet」,但這其實不是真正的 UALink。

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Claim: SemiAnalysis 預期 MI400 Series 為真正 rack-scale solution,H2 2026 有機會與 VR200 NVL144 競爭。
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In this article, we will discuss the relative competitiveness of AMD’s new products and analyze their total cost of ownership. We will also elaborate on AMD’s new hyperscale customer, AWS, and on the flip side, the continued disappointment in follow-on orders on from existing customer Microsoft.

本文將討論 AMD 新產品的相對競爭力,並分析其總持有成本。我們也會進一步說明 AMD 新增的 hyperscale 客戶 AWS;另一方面,也會談到既有客戶 Microsoft 後續訂單持續令人失望的情況。

Recently, Nvidia has upset quite a few of their Neocloud partners with the launch of DGX Lepton Marketplace, which aims to commoditize compute. We believe that this development has also helped to open up a window of opportunity for AMD to foster their own Neocloud ecosystem. We will explain how AMD is more willing to invest into Neoclouds, the clever financial engineering they are employing to help out these Neoclouds, as well as the investment AMD is making into their own internal development R&D clusters.

近期 Nvidia 推出旨在讓算力商品化的 DGX Lepton Marketplace,惹惱了不少 Neocloud 合作夥伴。我們認為這項發展也替 AMD 打開了一扇窗口,讓其有機會培養自己的 Neocloud 生態系。我們會說明 AMD 為何更願意投資 Neocloud、其如何透過巧妙的財務工程協助這些 Neocloud,以及 AMD 對自身內部研發叢集所進行的投資。

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The MI355X is competitive with the HGX B200 for small to medium model inferencing but it will not be competitive against the GB200 NVL72

MI355X 在小至中型模型推論上可與 HGX B200 競爭,但無法與 GB200 NVL72 競爭。

Despite AMD’s marketing RDF , the MI355 128 GPU rack is not a “rack scale solution” – it only has a scale up world size of 8 GPUs versus the GB200 NVL72 which has a world size of 72 GPUs. The GB200 NVL72 will beat the MI355X on Perf per TCO for large frontier reasoning model inference

儘管 AMD 的行銷 RDF 如此宣稱,MI355 的 128 GPU 機櫃並不是「機櫃級解決方案」;其 scale-up world size 只有 8 顆 GPU,而 GB200 NVL72 的 world size 是 72 顆 GPU。對大型前沿推理模型的推論而言,GB200 NVL72 的每單位 TCO 效能將優於 MI355X。

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Claim: MI355 128-GPU rack 的 scale-up world size 只有 8 GPUs;GB200 NVL72 為 72 GPUs。
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The MI355X will have similar collective performance as the HGX B200 but MI355X collectives will run at least 18x slower than on the GB200 NVL72, if not even slower

MI355X 的 collective 效能會與 HGX B200 類似,但 MI355X 的 collective 操作速度至少會比 GB200 NVL72 慢 18 倍,甚至可能更慢。

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Claim: SemiAnalysis 預期 MI355X collective performance 約等於 HGX B200,但至少比 GB200 NVL72 慢 18 倍。
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AMD announced its Developer Cloud, which will bring on demand pricing to 3.00/hr/GPU in the current AMD Neocloud market in a move that could potentially make renting AMD GPUs competitive vs renting Nvidia GPUs

AMD 宣布推出 Developer Cloud,MI300 的隨用隨付價格將降至每 GPU 每小時 1.99 美元,相較目前 AMD Neocloud 市場約每 GPU 每小時 3.00 美元,這有可能讓租用 AMD GPU 相較租用 Nvidia GPU 更具競爭力。

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Claim: AMD Developer Cloud 宣布 MI300 on-demand 價格為 3.00/hr/GPU。
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Nvidia’s DGX Lepton Marketplace has upset a lot of Neoclouds, potentially giving AMD an opening to convince Neoclouds to support both Nvidia and AMD

Nvidia 的 DGX Lepton Marketplace 惹惱了許多 Neocloud,這可能替 AMD 創造機會,說服 Neocloud 同時支援 Nvidia 與 AMD。

AMD is finally adopting a similar strategy to Nvidia and using its strong balance sheet to support the Neocloud and hyperscale ecosystem in adopting AMD by renting a portion of GPUs back from the clouds. This will help drive accelerate end user adoption of AMD’s systems.

AMD 終於開始採取與 Nvidia 類似的策略,利用強勁的資產負債表,透過向雲端業者回租部分 GPU,支持 Neocloud 與 hyperscale 生態系採用 AMD。這將有助於加速終端使用者採用 AMD 系統。

The MI400 Series will be a rack scale solution that could potentially be competitive with Nvidia’s VR200 NVL144 in H2 2026

MI400 Series 將是一套機櫃級解決方案,到 2026 年下半年有機會與 Nvidia 的 VR200 NVL144 競爭。

There is a new work in progress initiative to raise AMD engineering pay to be more competitive with market rate and to more closely align compensation with the success of AMD. The timing for which AMD will announce this to their AI engineers remains to be seen

AMD 正在推動一項尚在規劃中的新措施,希望提高工程師薪酬,使其更貼近市場水準,同時讓薪酬與 AMD 的成功更加緊密連動。AMD 何時會向其 AI 工程師正式宣布這項措施,目前仍有待觀察。

The MI400 Series racks are not actually using real UALink for scale-up networking. AMD has instead renamed its Infinity Fabric Over Ethernet to “UALink over Ethernet” and uses this for its scale-up network

MI400 Series 機櫃的 scale-up 網路其實沒有使用真正的 UALink。AMD 只是把 Infinity Fabric Over Ethernet 改名為「UALink over Ethernet」,並將其用於 scale-up 網路。

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Claim: SemiAnalysis 指出 MI400 scale-up 實際採 UALoE(Infinity Fabric over Ethernet 的重新命名),而非 native UALink。
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The MI400 Series scale-up network will use Broadcom Ethernet Tomahawk 6 switches because Marvell and Astera Labs’ UALink switches will not be ready by late 2026

MI400 Series 的 scale-up 網路將採用 Broadcom Ethernet Tomahawk 6 交換器,因為 Marvell 與 Astera Labs 的 UALink 交換器到 2026 年底前仍無法準備就緒。

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Claim: MI400 scale-up network 預計使用 Broadcom Tomahawk 6 Ethernet switches,因 Marvell/Astera UALink switches 到 late-2026 尚未 ready。
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Despite these earlier points, the MI400 Series with UALink over Ethernet will still be competitive with the VR200 NVL144’s NVLink in terms of scale up bandwidth and also has a scale up world size of 72 logical GPUs

儘管有上述問題,採用 UALink over Ethernet 的 MI400 Series 在 scale-up 頻寬方面仍可與 VR200 NVL144 的 NVLink 競爭,而且其 scale-up world size 也達到 72 顆邏輯 GPU。

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Claim: SemiAnalysis 預期 MI400 UALoE 在 scale-up bandwidth 上仍可與 VR200 NVL144 NVLink 競爭,且 world size 為 72 logical GPUs。
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In late 2027, AMD will release the MI500 UAL256 which will feature 256 physical/logical chips and not just 144 physical/logical chips like in VR300 NVL576

到 2027 年底,AMD 將推出 MI500 UAL256,具備 256 顆實體/邏輯晶片,而不是像 VR300 NVL576 那樣只有 144 顆實體/邏輯晶片。

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Claim: SemiAnalysis 預期 late-2027 AMD MI500 UAL256 將有 256 physical/logical chips,對比 VR300 NVL576 的 144 physical/logical chips。
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MI350X and MI355X Specs

There are two versions of the CDNA4 chips in this series – namely the MI350X and the MI355X. The MI350X is the 1,000W version that is air cooled while the MI355X is a 1,400W version that supports both air cooling and DLC liquid cooling. Even though the MI355X uses 1.4x more power, the on-paper specs show that it is less than 10% faster than the MI350X in terms of TFLOPS throughput. However, we expect realized performance to be greater than 10% better for the MI355X because published specs are often never achieved due to power limitations. These published specs assume that the peak clock speed can be held in real workloads, but that’s simply not the case on both AMD and Nvidia systems.

這個系列的 CDNA4 晶片有兩個版本:MI350X 與 MI355X。MI350X 是 1,000W、採氣冷的版本;MI355X 則是 1,400W,並同時支援氣冷與 DLC 液冷。雖然 MI355X 的功耗高出 1.4 倍,但紙面規格顯示,其 TFLOPS 吞吐量相較 MI350X 的提升不到 10%。不過我們預期 MI355X 的實際效能改善會超過 10%,因為受功耗限制影響,公布的峰值規格往往無法真正達成。這些公開規格假設在真實工作負載中可以維持峰值時脈,但不論 AMD 或 Nvidia 系統,實際上都做不到。

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Claim: MI350X TDP 為 1,000W 且 air-cooled;MI355X 為 1,400W 且支援 air cooling 與 DLC liquid cooling。
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Claim: MI355X 功耗約為 MI350X 的 1.4 倍,但 paper TFLOPS 提升不到 10%。
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Claim: SemiAnalysis 預期 MI355X realized performance 相對 MI350X 的提升會超過 10%。
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The on-paper specs for the MI350X and the MI355X are both competitive to the HGX B200 for BF16/FP8/FP4 data types (dtypes). We expect that BF16 and FP8 will be used for training while FP8/FP6/FP4 will be used for inference. On the HGX B200, FP6 shares the same physical circuits as FP8, leading to the same FP8/FP6 on paper FLOP/s. On the MI355X, FP6 shares the same physical circuits as FP4, and so FP6 will have the same peak TFLOP/s speed as FP4. This means that MI355X FP6 is 2.2x faster than B200 FP6. In practice, MI355X FP6 will be at least 20% slower than MI355X FP4 due AI chips always being limited by power.

從紙面規格來看,MI350X 與 MI355X 在 BF16/FP8/FP4 資料型態上都可與 HGX B200 競爭。我們預期 BF16 與 FP8 主要用於訓練,而 FP8/FP6/FP4 則用於推論。在 HGX B200 上,FP6 與 FP8 共用相同的實體電路,因此紙面上的 FP8/FP6 FLOP/s 相同。在 MI355X 上,FP6 與 FP4 共用相同的實體電路,因此 FP6 的峰值 TFLOP/s 會與 FP4 相同。這代表 MI355X 的 FP6 比 B200 FP6 快 2.2 倍。實際使用時,由於 AI 晶片始終受功耗限制,MI355X FP6 至少會比 MI355X FP4 慢 20%。

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Claim: 依 paper specs,MI355X FP6 peak throughput 約為 B200 FP6 的 2.2 倍。
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Claim: SemiAnalysis 預期實際 MI355X FP6 至少比 FP4 慢 20%,主因 power limitation。
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SemiAnalysis benchmarking has shown that even though the MI300X and the H100 each show the same on-paper TFLOP/s for FP16 as for BF16 (i.e. Nvidia’s FP16 TF = BF16 = 989 TFLOP/s, AMD’s FP16 = BF16 = 1307 TFLOP/s) in practice – each card delivers different realized TFLOPs when running FP16 vs BF16. We will be publishing an article in the near future running microbenchmarks to figure out a realistic TFLOP/s for MI355X FP6 versus FP4.

SemiAnalysis 的基準測試顯示,雖然 MI300X 與 H100 在紙面上 FP16 與 BF16 的 TFLOP/s 都相同(例如 Nvidia 的 FP16 TF = BF16 = 989 TFLOP/s,AMD 的 FP16 = BF16 = 1307 TFLOP/s),但實際執行 FP16 與 BF16 時,每張卡可實現的 TFLOPs 並不相同。我們近期將發表文章,以 microbenchmark 測試 MI355X FP6 相較 FP4 的實際 TFLOP/s。

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For 4-bit floating point formats, the MI355X will only support OCP MX4 where there is a microexponent scale factor applied across a block of 32 elements versus. In contrast, Nvidia’s Blackwell GPUs support both OCP MX4 and NVFP4, though NVFP4 uses a smaller block size of 16 elements which will lead to fewer challenges when calibrating the numerical accuracy when doing QAT/PTQ quantization. We have talked with a few vLLM and open-source inference contributors, and they have mentioned that NVPF4 preserves information/model quality much better than MX4, but that MX4 could potentially achieve the same quality with additional runtime quantization software techniques.

在 4-bit 浮點格式方面,MI355X 只支援 OCP MX4,其做法是在每 32 個元素的區塊上套用 microexponent 縮放因子。相較之下,Nvidia 的 Blackwell GPU 同時支援 OCP MX4 與 NVFP4,而 NVFP4 採用更小的 16 元素區塊,因此在進行 QAT/PTQ 量化時,校準數值精度所面臨的挑戰較少。我們與幾位 vLLM 及開源推論貢獻者交流後,他們表示 NVFP4 在保留資訊/模型品質方面明顯優於 MX4,不過透過額外的 runtime 量化軟體技術,MX4 也可能達到相同品質。

On the Blackwell Ultra B300 HGX NVL8, Nvidia has removed most of the FP64 and int8 tensor cores to make room for 1.4x more FP4 tensor core circuits. This allows the B300 to dominate FP4 inference when compared to the MI350 and MI355 which do not use this optimization. As a result, the B300’s FP4 TFLOP/s is 1.3x faster than that of the MI355X while consuming 200 W less power.

在 Blackwell Ultra B300 HGX NVL8 上,Nvidia 移除了大部分 FP64 與 int8 Tensor Core,以騰出空間增加 1.4 倍的 FP4 Tensor Core 電路。因此,相較沒有採用這項最佳化的 MI350 與 MI355,B300 在 FP4 推論上具有明顯優勢。結果是 B300 的 FP4 TFLOP/s 比 MI355X 快 1.3 倍,同時功耗還少 200W。

In terms of HBM, the MI350/MI355 has the same memory bandwidth and capacity as B300, but has much more HBM at 288GB vs 180GB for the B200. This is a critical advantage when it comes to AMD single node inference. However, in the age of multi node high rank expert parallelism and disaggregated prefill, having more HBM per GPU is not as critical though it is still beneficial. Bandwidth is far more important, which is why 8Hi HBM4 is being rushed by 2 HBM vendors for 2 different high profile ASIC programs. See the SemiAnalysis accelerator and HBM model for more details.

HBM 方面,MI350/MI355 的記憶體頻寬與容量和 B300 相同,但相較 B200 的 180GB,MI350/MI355 擁有多得多的 288GB HBM。這對 AMD 的單節點推論是重要優勢。不過,在多節點、高 rank expert parallelism 與 disaggregated prefill 的時代,每顆 GPU 擁有更多 HBM 雖然仍有好處,但重要性已不像過去那麼高。頻寬反而更為關鍵,這也是為什麼兩家 HBM 供應商正為兩個高知名度 ASIC 專案加速推出 8Hi HBM4。更多細節可參考 SemiAnalysis 的 accelerator 與 HBM model。

For the MI350/MI355’s scale-up network, AMD was able to “overclock” their XGMI protocol (which uses PCIe 5.0 PHY Serdes) by 1.2x from 64GByte/s to 76.8GByte/s. It does thus by using PCIe 5.0 PHY extended speed mode which offers ~38GT/s per link instead of 32GT/s per link. Despite this, comparable Nvidia products still crush the MI350/MI355’s scale up network speed because the HGX B200/B300 uses a switched all to all topology which is 1.6x faster than that of the MI350/MI355’s mesh topology based scale-up network. When it comes to the GB200 NVL72/GB300 NVL72, there is really no comparison or competition versus the MI350/MI355’s scale-up solution, because the GB200 NVL72/GB300 NVL72 is a true rack scale solution connecting 72 GPUs within a single scale-up domain while the MI350/MI355 only connects 8 GPUs together in its scale-up domain.

在 MI350/MI355 的 scale-up 網路上,AMD 將採用 PCIe 5.0 PHY SerDes 的 XGMI 協定「超頻」1.2 倍,從 64GByte/s 提高到 76.8GByte/s。其做法是使用 PCIe 5.0 PHY extended speed mode,讓每條 link 從 32GT/s 提升到約 38GT/s。即便如此,可比的 Nvidia 產品在 scale-up 網路速度上仍大幅領先,因為 HGX B200/B300 使用 switched all-to-all 拓撲,比 MI350/MI355 的 mesh 拓撲 scale-up 網路快 1.6 倍。至於 GB200 NVL72/GB300 NVL72,與 MI350/MI355 的 scale-up 方案幾乎沒有可比性:前者是真正的機櫃級方案,可在單一 scale-up domain 連接 72 顆 GPU,而 MI350/MI355 的 scale-up domain 只能連接 8 顆 GPU。

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Moving on to the scale-out domain, the MI350/MI355 supports speeds of 400 Gbit/s per GPU – the same as B200 and GB200 NVL72, but it will be surpassed soon by B300 HGX NVL8 and the GB300 NVL72 which both offer 800 Gbit/s per GPU networking. AMD as a whole will lag behind on scale-out networking as Nvidia will start mass deployments of their 800GbE ConnectX-8 NIC later this year while AMD’s 800GbE “Vulcano” NIC will not start mass deployment until 2H 2026.

再看 scale-out domain,MI350/MI355 支援每顆 GPU 400Gbit/s,與 B200、GB200 NVL72 相同;但很快就會被 B300 HGX NVL8 與 GB300 NVL72 超越,因為兩者都提供每顆 GPU 800Gbit/s 的網路頻寬。整體而言 AMD 在 scale-out 網路上將落後 Nvidia:Nvidia 今年稍晚就會開始大規模部署 800GbE ConnectX-8 NIC,而 AMD 的 800GbE「Vulcano」NIC 要到 2026 年下半年才會開始大量部署。

Competitive Performance per TCO with the HGX B200 NVL8

We believe that the MI355X could be competitive against the HGX B200 for small to medium LLMs production inference workloads. This is because the MI355X total cost of ownership is 33% lower than that of the HGX B200 for self-owned clusters, while it delivers much more HBM memory capacity, slightly more FP8 and FP4 TFLOP/s and double the FP6 TFLOP/s. Rapid improvements to AMD software under the leadership of Anush, AMD’s AI Software King, will also push the MI355X’s relative performance per TCO advantage higher.

我們認為,MI355X 在小至中型 LLM 的正式生產推論工作負載上,有機會與 HGX B200 競爭。原因是對自建叢集而言,MI355X 的總持有成本比 HGX B200 低 33%,同時提供更多 HBM 容量、略高的 FP8 與 FP4 TFLOP/s,以及兩倍的 FP6 TFLOP/s。在 AMD「AI Software King」Anush 的領導下,AMD 軟體快速改善,也將進一步提高 MI355X 相對的每 TCO 效能優勢。

AMD’s pitch on the competitiveness of the MI355X centers around the fact that it doesn’t require direct to chip liquid cooling (DLC). There certainly is merit to some point, but there is a degree of irony to the fact that AMD is still pitching the next gen MI355X as a competitor to Nvidia’s “economy-class” HGX products that have already been in the market for some time. AMD’s MI355X cannot compete head on with Nvidia’s flagship GB200 NVL72 for frontier reasoning inference due to the smaller scale-up world size mentioned above, so it is instead positioned to compete with the air-cooled HGX B200 NVL8 and the air-cooled HGX B300 NVL8.

AMD 對 MI355X 競爭力的主要訴求,是它不需要 direct-to-chip liquid cooling(DLC)。這個說法確實有一定道理,但也帶有幾分諷刺意味:AMD 仍把次世代 MI355X 定位成 Nvidia 已上市一段時間的「經濟艙」HGX 產品的競爭對手。由於前述較小的 scale-up world size,AMD MI355X 無法在前沿推理推論上正面挑戰 Nvidia 旗艦 GB200 NVL72,因此轉而定位與氣冷 HGX B200 NVL8、氣冷 HGX B300 NVL8 競爭。

With that said, this product segment will ship meaningful volumes, depending on the MI355X’s software quality and the price that AMD is willing to sell at. We expect that it could gain the most traction among users of small to medium models that do not benefit from large scale-up world sizes. But when it comes to reasoning models and frontier inference deployments that do benefit from large-scale disaggregated deployments or employ mixture of experts that can take advantage of large scale up networks, the GB200 NVL72 will still dominate on performance and perf per TCO, especially when it comes to inference.

話雖如此,這個產品區隔仍會有相當的出貨量,關鍵取決於 MI355X 的軟體品質,以及 AMD 願意以什麼價格銷售。我們預期,它最可能在使用小至中型模型、且無法從大型 scale-up world size 受益的使用者中取得 traction。但對於可受益於大規模 disaggregated deployment 的推理模型與前沿推論部署,或採用 mixture of experts、能利用大型 scale-up 網路的工作負載,GB200 NVL72 在效能與每 TCO 效能上仍將占據主導地位,尤其是在推論方面。

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Nvidia is Upsetting Neoclouds with DGX Lepton

This week at GTC Paris, Jensen Huang discussed more about DGX Lepton and its business strategy which could lead to the commoditization of AI compute at a global scale. This means customers will be able to automatically and seamlessly shift their inference workloads from different clouds while in theory maintaining the same software user interface and experience. This is particularly attractive to those that mainly focus on inference and small-scale training workloads as we don’t expect that massively scaled inference deployments or large-scale training will use DGX Lepton.

本週在 GTC Paris,Jensen Huang 進一步談到 DGX Lepton 及其商業策略,而這可能讓 AI 算力在全球尺度走向商品化。這意味著客戶理論上可以在維持相同軟體使用介面與體驗的情況下,自動且無縫地把推論工作負載在不同雲端之間移轉。這對主要著重推論與小規模訓練的使用者特別有吸引力,因為我們預期超大規模推論部署或大型訓練不會使用 DGX Lepton。

If DGX Lepton is successful, they will have created a standard user experience, with exactly the same feature set, value proposition and performance across all Neoclouds, which will put all the Neoclouds into a race to the bottom on pricing. They will effectively be turning Neocloud margins into ultra-low commodity level margins.

如果 DGX Lepton 成功,Nvidia 就等於建立了一套標準化使用體驗:所有 Neocloud 都提供完全相同的功能組合、價值主張與效能,迫使各家 Neocloud 在價格上一路向下競爭。實際效果將是把 Neocloud 的利潤率壓到極低的商品化水準。

In the same way that Uber/Lyft is a platform for connecting customers to drivers, DGX Lepton appears to be seeking to be that platform for GPU compute. Famously, Uber/Lyft have spawned an entire army of low margin gig economy workers that are captive to their platforms. DGX Lepton could have the same effect on Neoclouds.

就像 Uber/Lyft 是連接乘客與司機的平台,DGX Lepton 看起來也想成為 GPU 算力的同類平台。眾所皆知,Uber/Lyft 催生出大批低毛利、受制於平台的 gig economy 勞工;DGX Lepton 對 Neocloud 也可能產生相同效果。

On the other hand, like Uber/Lyft, DGX Lepton will be great for consumers. By lowering middleman margins, Nvidia has effectively increased performance per TCO for end users without any impact to Nvidia’s own eye watering margins. Compute will get cheaper, while the experience will be standardized.

另一方面,就像 Uber/Lyft 一樣,DGX Lepton 對消費者會非常有利。透過降低中間商利潤,Nvidia 實際上替終端使用者提高了每 TCO 效能,卻完全不影響 Nvidia 自身驚人的利潤率。算力會變得更便宜,使用體驗也會標準化。

From discussions with various Neoclouds, many are not happy about the DGX Lepton Marketplace for the aforementioned reasons. Even though they are not happy about DGX Lepton, many still feel obligated to participate to maintain a good relationship with Nvidia. The Information recently posted an article that also elaborated on the very mixed feelings at the Neoclouds and overall unhappiness with DGX Lepton. Some engineers that are part of the NVIDIA Lepton team are also allegedly anxious about how their working relationships with the Neoclouds will develop.

根據我們與多家 Neocloud 的交流,基於前述原因,許多業者對 DGX Lepton Marketplace 並不滿意。即使不喜歡 DGX Lepton,很多業者仍覺得為了維持與 Nvidia 的良好關係,不得不參與。The Information 最近也刊出一篇文章,進一步描述 Neocloud 對 DGX Lepton 非常複雜的感受,以及整體上的不滿。據稱,NVIDIA Lepton 團隊中的部分工程師也對未來與 Neocloud 的合作關係會如何發展感到不安。

One alternative approach that Jensen could take at DGX Lepton would be to completely open-source Lepton’s amazing software platform and allow free of charge deployment of Lepton’s software for participating Neoclouds when they self-host Lepton’s software in addition to when they participate in the DGX Lepton marketplace.

Jensen 對 DGX Lepton 也可以採取另一種做法:把 Lepton 優秀的軟體平台完全開源,讓參與的 Neocloud 不只可加入 DGX Lepton marketplace,也能在自行託管 Lepton 軟體時免費部署這套軟體。

This will let Neoclouds have multiple sales channels independent of Nvidia’s marketplace while still bringing consumers strong performance and a better experience, raising the bar for the overall ecosystem.

這能讓 Neocloud 在不依賴 Nvidia marketplace 的情況下擁有多個銷售通路,同時仍為消費者提供強勁效能與更好的使用體驗,進而提高整體生態系的標準。

One outcome of the ongoing DGX Lepton drama is that Neoclouds are starting to revisit the idea of relying completely on a single vendor, and many may ultimately seek alternatives to ameliorate this risk. This development has created a perfect opening for AMD to rapidly ramp up their Neocloud engagement and quickly expand the number of Neoclouds that host AMD GPUs.

持續延燒的 DGX Lepton 風波帶來的一個結果,是 Neocloud 開始重新檢視完全依賴單一供應商的想法,許多業者最終可能會尋找替代方案來降低這項風險。這項發展替 AMD 創造了極佳的切入點,可以迅速加強與 Neocloud 的合作,並快速增加託管 AMD GPU 的 Neocloud 數量。

MI355X Is Not a Rack Scale Solution – AMD’s Marketing Spin

AMD has been marketing a MI355X as a “rack scale solution” even though the MI355X is not a rack scale solution by any definition. The MI355X “128 GPU Rack” is just 16 MI355X UBB8 servers put in the same rack but without a coherent scale up domain that spans across the entire rack.

AMD 一直把 MI355X 行銷成「機櫃級解決方案」,但依任何定義,MI355X 都不是真正的機櫃級方案。所謂 MI355X「128 GPU Rack」只是把 16 台 MI355X UBB8 伺服器放進同一個機櫃,整個機櫃並沒有跨所有伺服器的一致 coherent scale-up domain。

The MI355 “128 GPU Rack” is rack scale from temu dot com. Calling the MI355 DLC Rack a “rack-scale solution” is like trying to pitch your producer on hiring Jesse Plemons instead of Matt Damon in your upcoming Hollywood blockbuster.

MI355 的「128 GPU Rack」就像 temu.com 版的機櫃級方案。把 MI355 DLC Rack 稱為「rack-scale solution」,就像你要說服製片人在下一部好萊塢大片中不要找 Matt Damon,而改請 Jesse Plemons 一樣。

As we will elaborate on further, this means that the MI355X “rack-scale solution” has 18x worse collective performance compared to the GB200 NVL72. For the MI355X, a GPU in UBB8 server A can only talk to a GPU in another GPU in UBB8 server B in the same rack at 400Gbit/s over Ethernet versus, whereas for the GB200NVL72, GPUs in different compute trays communicate at 900GByte/s.

如後文會進一步說明,這代表 MI355X 所謂的「rack-scale solution」其 collective 效能比 GB200 NVL72 差 18 倍。對 MI355X 而言,同一機櫃中 UBB8 server A 的某顆 GPU,要與 UBB8 server B 的 GPU 溝通,只能透過 Ethernet 以 400Gbit/s 傳輸;相較之下,GB200 NVL72 不同 compute tray 內的 GPU 可用 900GByte/s 彼此通訊。

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If the MI355 128 GPU rack is considered to be a “rack scale solution”, then why not call the many H100 racks as a “rack scale solution” too? Obviously, if the MI355 is labeled a “rack scale solution”, the H100 should be considered a “rack scale solution” too. This is a ridiculous proposition as nobody is calling xAI’s H100 deployment with 64 GPUs per rack a “rack scale solution”. Like the MI355, this H100 deployment does not have a coherent scale up domain across all 64 GPUs, it is just eight HGX H100 NVL8 servers in a rack.

如果 MI355 128 GPU 機櫃也能被稱為「rack scale solution」,那為什麼不能把大量 H100 機櫃也這樣稱呼?顯然,如果 MI355 被貼上「rack scale solution」標籤,H100 也應該算。這個說法很荒謬,因為沒有人會把 xAI 每機櫃 64 顆 GPU 的 H100 部署稱為「rack scale solution」。和 MI355 一樣,這套 H100 部署也沒有涵蓋全部 64 顆 GPU 的 coherent scale-up domain,它只是把八台 HGX H100 NVL8 伺服器放在同一個機櫃裡。

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XAI’s “rack scale solution”. Source: ServeTheHome

xAI 的「機櫃級解決方案」。來源:ServeTheHome ↗

When it comes to inference and training of mixture of experts models, the most important and communications intensive collective is the all to all operation, which routes tokens to the correct expert. For all to all communication, the MI355X is 18x slower than the GB200 NVL72 and 2x slower than the HGX B300 NVL8. For training models using 2D+ parallelism, a common LLM pattern is using an all reduce with a split mask of 0x7, and for this operation, the MI355X is also 18x slower compared to GB200 NVL72. This example illustrates that MI355X is clearly not rack scale and not in the same league as the GB200 NVL72.

對 mixture of experts 模型的推論與訓練而言,最重要且通訊密集度最高的 collective 是 all-to-all operation,因為它負責把 token 路由到正確的 expert。在 all-to-all 通訊上,MI355X 比 GB200 NVL72 慢 18 倍,也比 HGX B300 NVL8 慢 2 倍。若是使用 2D+ parallelism 訓練模型,常見的 LLM 模式會使用 split mask 為 0x7 的 all-reduce;在這項操作上,MI355X 相較 GB200 NVL72 同樣慢 18 倍。這個例子清楚說明,MI355X 並不是真正的 rack-scale 方案,與 GB200 NVL72 也不在同一個等級。

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Hyperscale and AI Lab Adoption of new AMD Products

Notwithstanding the silliness around how the MI355 racks are marketed, the points we are making on total cost of ownership and strong potential perf per TCO have clearly resonated with Hyperscalers and large AI Lab customers, and we see strong engagement and good order momentum with these customers.

儘管 MI355 機櫃的行銷方式有些荒謬,但我們對總持有成本與高潛力 perf per TCO 的論點,顯然已獲得 hyperscaler 與大型 AI Lab 客戶認同。我們看到這些客戶的互動相當積極,訂單動能也不錯。

AWS was a title sponsor for AMD’s Advancing AI event, and it will now be in its first serious push into purchasing and deploying AMD GPUs for rental at scale.

AWS 是 AMD Advancing AI 活動的主要贊助商之一,現在也將首次認真推動大規模採購與部署 AMD GPU,作為對外出租的算力。

Meta, usually focused on inference use cases when it comes to AMD, is now starting to train on AMD as well. They are a key impetus behind the 72 GPU rack and will be in for the MI355X and the MI400. Meta’s PyTorch engineers are now even working on AMD Torch as well instead of only AMD’s engineers working on AMD torch.

Meta 過去在 AMD 上主要著重推論用途,現在也開始使用 AMD 進行訓練。Meta 是推動 72 GPU 機櫃的重要力量之一,預計會採用 MI355X 與 MI400。如今不只是 AMD 自家工程師在改善 AMD Torch,Meta 的 PyTorch 工程師也開始投入相關最佳化工作。

For OpenAI, Sam Altman was on stage at the AMD event. OpenAI likes how much faster AMD is moving after our first article benchmarking AMD and Nvidia .

OpenAI 方面,Sam Altman 也登上 AMD 活動舞台。自從我們第一篇 AMD 與 Nvidia benchmark 文章發布後,OpenAI 對 AMD 加快進展的速度相當肯定 ↗。

x.AI is going to be using these upcoming AMD systems for production inference, expanding AMD’s presence. In the past, only a small percentage of protection inference used AMD with most workloads run on Nvidia systems.

xAI 將把這些即將推出的 AMD 系統用於正式生產環境的推論,進一步擴大 AMD 的部署版圖。過去只有少部分 production inference 使用 AMD,大多數工作負載仍運行在 Nvidia 系統上。

GCP are in talks with AMD, but they have been in discussions for quite a while. We think that AMD should cut GCP in on the same deal they are giving a few key Neoclouds – i.e. bootstrapping the AMD rental product by offering to lease back compute for AMD’s internal research and development needs.

GCP 正與 AMD 洽談,但雙方其實已談了一段相當長的時間。我們認為 AMD 應該讓 GCP 也能取得目前提供給少數關鍵 Neocloud 的同類方案,也就是透過承諾回租算力供 AMD 內部研發使用,協助 GCP 啟動 AMD GPU 租用產品。

Oracle, a clear trailblazer in terms of rapid deployment of Neocloud capacity, is also planning to deploy 30,000 MI355Xs.

Oracle 在快速部署 Neocloud 產能方面一直是明確的先行者,目前也規劃部署 30,000 顆 MI355X。

Microsoft is the only hyperscaler that is staying on the sidelines, only ordering low volumes of the MI355, though it is leaning positively towards deploying the MI400.

Microsoft 是唯一仍在觀望的 hyperscaler,目前只少量訂購 MI355,不過對部署 MI400 的態度偏正面。

Many of these hyperscalers have an abundance of air-cooled data center because of their legacy datacenter design architecture and are only too happy to adopt air cooled MI355X given the compelling perf/TCO proposition. Overall, we expect all of these hyperscalers to be deploying the MI355 and many will go on to also deploy the MI400 true rack scale solution as well.

許多 hyperscaler 因既有資料中心設計架構,仍擁有大量氣冷資料中心,因此在 MI355X 具有吸引力的 perf/TCO 前提下,非常樂意採用氣冷版本。整體而言,我們預期這些 hyperscaler 都會部署 MI355,其中不少業者之後也會進一步部署 MI400 這套真正的 rack-scale solution。

AMD’s Solving Its Neocloud Rental Market Weakness

One of the main challenges with increasing AMD adoption is that there are currently very few AMD focused Neoclouds compared to over a hundred Nvidia focused Neoclouds. This scarcity of supply and a lack of diversity in offerings in the rental market leads to artificially high prices for AMD GPU rentals, eroding AMD GPUs’ overall cost-competitiveness.

提高 AMD 採用率的一大挑戰,是目前以 AMD 為主的 Neocloud 非常少,相較之下,以 Nvidia 為主的 Neocloud 已超過一百家。租用市場供給稀缺、產品選擇又不夠多元,導致 AMD GPU 租金被人為推高,侵蝕 AMD GPU 整體的成本競爭力。

In Q2 2025 so far, the current 1 month term contract market rental price for the H200 stands at about 2.50/hr, which makes the MI300X uncompetitive for renting compared to the H200. Below, we show what the approximate MI300 and MI325X 1-month rental price needs to be for the MI300X and MI325X in order for them to be competitive with renting Nvidia H200s. This analysis was based in large part upon our real world inference benchmarks .

截至 2025 年第二季,目前 H200 的一個月期合約市場租金約為每 GPU 每小時 2.50 美元 ↗,不同供應商差異很大,品質較低的雲端價格會更便宜。MI325X 幾乎不存在一個月期租用合約;MI300X 的一個月期租金則約每小時 2.50 美元,使其相較 H200 並不具租用競爭力。下方我們估算 MI300X 與 MI325X 的一個月期租金大概要降到什麼水準,才能與 Nvidia H200 的租用方案競爭。這項分析很大程度建立在我們真實世界的推論 benchmark 上 ↗。

For reasoning inference tasks (1k input, 4k output), the MI300X needs to be priced at under 2.75/hr/GPU to $3.00/hr/GPU, depending on interactivity, to be competitive. This a price range that no AMD Neocloud offers without extensive negotiations, which means that Nvidia currently wins on performance per dollar for rentals in part as a result of this market inefficiency.

對 reasoning inference 工作負載(1k input、4k output)而言,MI300X 的一個月合約價格必須低於每小時 2.10~2.40 美元,才能在每美元效能上與 H200 競爭。MI325X 則依互動性要求不同,需要落在每 GPU 每小時 2.75~3.00 美元之間才具競爭力。若沒有經過大量議價,目前沒有 AMD Neocloud 能提供這樣的價格,因此 Nvidia 現階段在租用市場的每美元效能仍占優勢,而其中一部分正是來自這種市場效率不彰。

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Pushing into High Gear – AMD is Accelerating the Development of the AMD Neocloud Ecosystem

Up until a few months ago, AMD was not very focused on driving stronger growth of their products within the Neocloud ecosystem and did not provide the enough incentives for GPU clouds to take the risk of hosting AMD GPUs and potentially not being be able to rent them out. In the past few months, AMD leadership has recognized that it is important to build up a healthy Neocloud ecosystem as this helps drive developer adoption up and helps drive down inflated AMD GPU rental prices. The end result is higher performance per dollar for the end user and more developers that are familiar with AMD and can contribute back to the broader AMD ecosystem.

直到幾個月前,AMD 對於推動自家產品在 Neocloud 生態系的成長仍不算積極,也沒有提供足夠誘因,讓 GPU cloud 願意承擔部署 AMD GPU 後可能租不出去的風險。近幾個月 AMD 管理層已意識到,建立健康的 Neocloud 生態系非常重要,因為這能提高開發者採用率,同時壓低被墊高的 AMD GPU 租金。最終結果是終端使用者取得更高的每美元效能,也有更多熟悉 AMD 的開發者能回饋整體 AMD 生態系。

To this end, AMD has given AWS, OCI, Digital Ocean, Vultr, Tensorwave, Crusoe and other Neoclouds an amazing incentive to support these Hyperscalers and Neocloud in AMD adoption and de-risk the business case. The deal AMD has struck is that in exchange for customers’ willingness to buy more AMD GPUs, AMD will rent back a significant chunk of this capacity in the form of long-term contracts for internal AMD software development purposes. This is akin to how Nvidia already rents back large clusters of GPUs from GCP, OCI, AWS, Azure, CoreWeave for Nvidia’s massive internal compute needs. For some Neoclouds, AMD is offering incentives to fully de-risk the investment case such that if the Neocloud isn’t able to fully sell their capacity, AMD themselves will rent it from them as a backstop. We know of many Neocloud currently exploring potential partnerships with AMD being offered similar incentive structures.

為此,AMD 已向 AWS、OCI、DigitalOcean、Vultr、TensorWave、Crusoe 與其他 Neocloud 提供非常有吸引力的誘因,以支持 hyperscaler 與 Neocloud 採用 AMD、降低商業模式風險。AMD 的方案是:客戶若願意購買更多 AMD GPU,AMD 就會以長期合約形式回租其中相當一部分產能,供 AMD 內部軟體開發使用。這與 Nvidia 為滿足龐大內部算力需求,向 GCP、OCI、AWS、Azure、CoreWeave 回租大型 GPU 叢集的做法類似。對部分 Neocloud,AMD 甚至提供幾乎完全去風險化的安排:如果業者無法把產能全部賣出去,AMD 自己會作為最後買方回租。我們知道目前有許多 Neocloud 正在評估與 AMD 的潛在合作,也取得類似的誘因架構。

With these incentives in place – one could make the argument that these Neoclouds could be building a less risky business case by working with AMD as compared to their peers that are renting Nvidia clusters only on a short term basis and taking considerable price and occupancy risk.

在這些誘因下,可以主張 Neocloud 與 AMD 合作建立的商業模式,反而可能比同業只以短期方式出租 Nvidia 叢集、承擔相當大價格與利用率風險的模式更安全。

The launch of AMD’s developer cloud is also a key strategy towards making AMD’s compute universally available at a competitive price. As part of this launch, AMD has massively lowered its prices for renting MI300X GPUs, democratizing access to a broader demographic of developers. Unfortunately, at the time we tested it out, there default quota was set to zero GPUs and getting an increase to the GPU quota was difficult. We recommend to AMD that they set their default quota for new users to at least 16 MI300X GPUs in order to more effectively introduce developers into their ecosystem. Since AMD developer cloud on demand price is set at a much more reasonable price of 1.993/hr/GPU down to $2/hr/GPU to match.

AMD 推出 Developer Cloud,也是讓 AMD 算力能以具競爭力價格普遍取得的重要策略。隨著服務上線,AMD 大幅調降 MI300X GPU 租金,讓更多開發者能使用。可惜我們實測時,預設 quota 被設成 0 顆 GPU,而且要申請提高 GPU quota 相當困難。我們建議 AMD 至少把新使用者的預設額度設為 16 顆 MI300X,才能更有效把開發者帶進自己的生態系。由於 AMD Developer Cloud 的 on-demand 價格已設定在更合理的每 GPU 每小時 1.99 美元,我們預期其他提供 MI300 on-demand 的 AMD Neocloud,也可能需要把目前約每小時 3 美元的高價降到接近每小時 2 美元。

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Source: SemiAnalysis, AMD

ROCm Software Improvements

AMD announced ROCm 7 with a focus on inference capabilities and performance. For inference throughput performance, AMD touted an average 3.5x improvement of ROCm 7 over ROCm 6, and a 1.3x improvement of ROCm7 over Nvidia B200 when serving DeepSeek R1. We look forward to verifying those claims.

AMD 發表 ROCm 7,重點放在推論功能與效能。推論吞吐量方面,AMD 宣稱 ROCm 7 相較 ROCm 6 平均提升 3.5 倍,在執行 DeepSeek R1 時則比 Nvidia B200 高 1.3 倍。我們期待實際驗證這些說法。

AMD is also committed to working with the open ecosystem on distributed inference. In addition to supporting inference frameworks vLLM and SGLang, AMD supports the orchestration framework llm-d, an alternative to Nvidia Dynamo, to enable the distributed inference technique PD disaggregation. The llm-d stack is still missing quite a few features that would serve the same function as the Nvidia Dynamo KVCache manager. The KVCache manger is very important as it can offer a massive TCO benefit for inference workloads that can unlock a multiple times improvement in throughput for many inference workloads.

AMD 也承諾與開放生態系合作推動 distributed inference。除了支援 vLLM 與 SGLang 等推論框架外,AMD 也支援 orchestration framework `llm-d`,作為 Nvidia Dynamo 的替代方案,以實現 PD disaggregation。llm-d stack 目前仍缺少不少可對應 Nvidia Dynamo KVCache Manager 的功能。KVCache Manager 非常重要,因為它能替推論工作負載帶來可觀的 TCO 改善,對許多推論工作負載甚至能解鎖數倍的吞吐量提升。

ROCm’s support of the kernel writing library Triton has also improved greatly in the past few versions. ROCm achieved functional support for Triton last year, and ROCm 7 focuses on performance improvement. We hope AMD continues the effort and expand support for advanced features such as FlexAttention.

ROCm 對 kernel 編寫工具 Triton 的支援,在最近幾個版本也大幅改善。ROCm 去年已達成功能性支援 Triton,ROCm 7 則進一步聚焦效能改善。我們希望 AMD 持續投入,並擴充對 FlexAttention 等進階功能的支援。

Recently, ByteDance Seed created Triton Distributed, a Triton-based library that enables compute and GPU communication overlap. AMD has shown great interest in Triton Distributed and has talked about greater support for it. However, it is unclear whether OpenAI (maintainer of Triton) will accept contributions of ByteDance’s Triton Distributed features back to the original Triton library. It is possible that OpenAI is pursuing their own path on implementing distributed compute-comms kernels for Triton.

最近 ByteDance Seed 建立了 Triton Distributed,這是一套基於 Triton 的函式庫,可讓運算與 GPU 通訊互相 overlap。AMD 對 Triton Distributed 表現出高度興趣,也談到會加強支援。不過,目前還不清楚 OpenAI(Triton 維護者)是否會接受 ByteDance 將 Triton Distributed 的功能回貢至原始 Triton 函式庫;OpenAI 也可能正沿著自己的方向實作 Triton 的 distributed compute-communication kernel。

Furthermore, given significant chip export restrictions on China, it may be possible that ByteDance steps back from contributing towards open-source libraries for western GPUs. With that said, ByteDance is investing heavily in AMD and we expect to see them take meaningful AMD-based rental GPU capacity. ByteDance will remain predominantly in the Nvidia camp though as the lion’s share of their compute capacity expansion will come from renting Nvidia-based capacity. Most of ByteDance’s compute is from either Cloud rentals or large-scale dedicated bare metal clusters located outside of China, and most of their Neocloud and Cloud providers still mostly rely on Nvidia compute capacity.

此外,在中國面臨嚴格晶片出口限制的背景下,ByteDance 也可能降低對西方 GPU 開源函式庫的貢獻。儘管如此,ByteDance 正大力投資 AMD,我們預期它會取得具有實質規模的 AMD 租用 GPU 產能。不過 ByteDance 仍會以 Nvidia 為主,因為其新增算力的大多數仍將來自租用 Nvidia-based capacity。ByteDance 大部分算力來自雲端租用,或位於中國以外的大型 dedicated bare-metal clusters,而其多數 Neocloud 與雲端供應商目前仍主要依賴 Nvidia 算力。

At a lower level, AMD has claimed that they are integrating the popular data transfer interface Mooncake Transfer Engine and the expert parallel communication library DeepEP. However, as of writing this, we still haven’t seen any open source ROCm repo with DeepEP or Mooncake yet.

在更底層的軟體層面,AMD 宣稱正在整合常用的資料傳輸介面 Mooncake Transfer Engine,以及 expert parallel 通訊函式庫 DeepEP。不過截至本文撰寫時,我們仍沒有看到任何開源 ROCm repo 中出現 DeepEP 或 Mooncake。

Finally, AMD announced its Developer Cloud and Developer Credits program. In addition to a simple interface for apply for compute access, AMD has created the Python package “rocm” for developers to easily install ROCm PyTorch, ROCm libraries such as HipBLAS, and development tools for these ROCm libraries. All code is open sourced in the GitHub repo ROCm/TheRock .

最後,AMD 發表 Developer Cloud 與 Developer Credits 計畫。除了提供簡單介面讓開發者申請算力存取外,AMD 也建立名為 `rocm` 的 Python package,讓開發者能方便安裝 ROCm PyTorch、HipBLAS 等 ROCm 函式庫,以及相關開發工具。所有程式碼都已在 GitHub repo `ROCm/TheRock` 開源 ↗。

MI355X PyTorch Continuous Integration (CI) and Testing

AMD has begun work on adding CI and automated testing for MI355 chips to Pytorch. Note that none of the MI355X PRs have merged yet but it is great to see AMD thinking about open source PyTorch MI355X CI from Day 1. For Nvidia, it’s been six months since the mass delivery of Blackwell yet they have not commenced CI for open source PyTorch and have been focused only on internal Blackwell CI. In fact, Meta pays for most of the cost of the PyTorch CI, amounting to a spend of over $1 million a month, while AMD themselves pay for open source PyTorch CI on AMD. Though Nvidia has so far not donated meaningful funding or compute towards open source PyTorch CI, it does have plans in the works to contribute via donating lots of compute credits from DGX Cloud and donating GPU capacity rented from their various Neocloud providers to Meta open source PyTorch.

AMD 已開始替 MI355 晶片在 PyTorch 加入 CI 與自動化測試。雖然目前 MI355X 的 PR 尚未有任何一筆 merge,但看到 AMD 從 Day 1 就開始思考開源 PyTorch 的 MI355X CI,仍是非常好的進展。反觀 Nvidia,Blackwell 大量交付至今已六個月,卻仍未啟動開源 PyTorch CI,重點一直放在內部 Blackwell CI。事實上,PyTorch CI 的大部分成本由 Meta 負擔,每月支出超過 100 萬美元;AMD 則自行支付 AMD 平台上的開源 PyTorch CI。Nvidia 目前尚未對開源 PyTorch CI 提供具實質規模的資金或算力,不過已規劃透過捐出大量 DGX Cloud compute credits,以及把向多家 Neocloud 租來的 GPU capacity 捐給 Meta 開源 PyTorch 使用等方式投入。

Nvidia is actively working on adding open source B200 PyTorch CI and has committed to donating 48 B200s to the PyTorch Foundation for the purposes of PyTorch CI. Although everyone would prefer having CI from day 0, adding Blackwell open source CI 6 months to PyTorch is better late than never. The spotlight we put on the lack of CI for AMD has likely nudged them into making significant strides here. Nvidia should continue to invest even more heavily in PyTorch CI for Blackwell. Additionally, their consumer GPUs need to be added to CI for PyTorch and popular inference libraries in order to ensure that consumer AI is stable. Currently, Nvidia consumer GPUs experience some instability when using certain frameworks due to lack of CI resources.

Nvidia 正積極為 B200 加入開源 PyTorch CI,並承諾捐出 48 顆 B200 給 PyTorch Foundation 作為 PyTorch CI 使用。當然大家都希望從 Day 0 就有 CI,但 Blackwell 上市六個月後才補上開源 CI,仍是遲到總比不到好。我們先前點出 AMD 缺乏 CI 的問題,很可能也促使 AMD 在這方面大幅加速。Nvidia 應持續更積極投資 Blackwell 的 PyTorch CI。此外,消費級 GPU 也應納入 PyTorch 與主流推論函式庫的 CI,以確保 consumer AI 的穩定性。目前 Nvidia 消費級 GPU 在某些 framework 上仍會出現不穩定情況,其中一個原因就是 CI 資源不足。

ROCm MLPerf Training Submission

Last month, AMD submitted their first MLPerf Training run for single node Llama2 70B LoRA finetuning and BERT training. This is a very important development as it demonstrates that training can work on a single AMD node. As a next step, AMD should participate in even more real-world training benchmarks such as the MLPerf Llama 405B multi-node training benchmark. We think they can show competitive results for this test.

上個月 AMD 首次提交 MLPerf Training 成績,項目包括單節點 Llama2 70B LoRA fine-tuning 與 BERT 訓練。這是非常重要的進展,因為它證明單一 AMD node 已能執行訓練。下一步 AMD 應參與更多貼近真實世界的訓練 benchmark,例如 MLPerf Llama 405B multi-node training benchmark;我們認為 AMD 有機會在這項測試中交出具競爭力的成績。

When it comes to benchmarking, we like how AMD demonstrates clearly when their solutions are working well by presenting easy to follow reproducible instructions for their MLPerf runs . This is in contrast to Nvidia’s MLPerf submissions which are very hard to reproduce.

在 benchmark 呈現方式上,我們喜歡 AMD 能在方案表現良好時,提供容易理解、可重現的 MLPerf 操作步驟 ↗。這點與 Nvidia 的 MLPerf submission 形成對比,後者往往非常難以重現。

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Source: AMD

MIG Partitioning is Wasting Time and Engineering Resources

AMD currently is wasting lot of engineering resources and money on their pet project that aims to support GPU partitioning. This project would allow users to turn a single GPU into 8 smaller GPUs. No customers are asking for this. Meta, OpenAI, x.AI are all not asking for this because all online inferencing workloads require one GPU at a minimum. We think it is illogical that AMD hardware engineers have worked hard to develop one of the most advanced chips with a large amount of HBM per GPU only to want to split this GPU into 8 parts.

AMD 目前正在一個支援 GPU partitioning 的偏好專案上浪費大量工程資源與資金。這項計畫讓使用者可以把單顆 GPU 切成 8 顆更小的 GPU,但沒有客戶要求這項功能。Meta、OpenAI、xAI 都沒有這種需求,因為所有 online inference workload 至少都需要一整顆 GPU。我們認為,AMD 硬體工程師好不容易開發出擁有大量單卡 HBM、最先進的晶片之一,最後卻想把它切成八份,邏輯上並不合理。

In fact, Meta, OpenAI, x.AI all want the opposite of this and want AMD to have better support for multi-node inferencing using at least 16 GPUs through the use of techniques such as DeepEP and disaggregated prefill.

事實上,Meta、OpenAI、xAI 想要的正好相反:他們希望 AMD 更完善支援 multi-node inference,例如透過 DeepEP 與 disaggregated prefill 等技術,至少以 16 顆 GPU 進行多節點推論。

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Source: AMD

MI355X Manufacturing – Updated Chiplet Architecture

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Source: SemiAnalysis

AMD has used the two years since the MI300’s launch to refine their chiplet architecture. As can be seen from the silicon in the image above, the chip layout has been tweaked slightly, with the base Active Interposer Dies (AID) being merged from four quadrants into two reticle-sized halves. Minor adjustments to the positions of the HBM have shifted the structural support silicon dies from between the HBM sites into the corners.

自 MI300 推出後的兩年間,AMD 持續精進 chiplet 架構。從上圖晶片可以看到,晶片配置略有調整:底層 Active Interposer Die(AID)從原本四個象限,合併成兩個 reticle-sized half。HBM 位置也有小幅調整,使結構支撐用的 silicon die 從 HBM 之間移到四個角落。

The benefit is clear for cross-chiplet communications, eliminating an entire axis of 2.5D Infinity Fabric Advanced Package links, saving power and area from requiring fewer chip boundary crossings. It also eliminates the two-hop scenario where quadrants from opposite corners of MI300 had to make two jumps across dies to communicate with each other.

這樣做對跨 chiplet 通訊的好處很明確:它消除了一整個軸向的 2.5D Infinity Fabric Advanced Package link,減少跨越晶粒邊界的次數,因此節省功耗與面積;也消除了 MI300 中位於對角位置的 quadrant 彼此通訊時,需要跨兩個 die、進行兩次跳轉的 two-hop 情境。

However, this arrangement also places extra importance on 3D stacking yields. AMD continues to use TSMC’s SoIC hybrid bonding process, which now needs to attach twice as many Accelerator Complex Dies (XCD) onto each base die, potentially compounding yield losses and additional silicon wastage should there be issues. AMD choosing this route speaks to the maturity of TSMC’s SoIC flow and their deep partnership with AMD’s Foundry Technology & Operations teams spanning over 5 years as the lead customer for SoIC.

不過這種配置也讓 3D stacking yield 變得更重要。AMD 持續採用 TSMC SoIC hybrid bonding 製程,如今每個 base die 需要接上兩倍數量的 Accelerator Complex Die(XCD);一旦出現問題,可能會進一步放大良率損失與額外的矽晶浪費。AMD 選擇這條路,也反映 TSMC SoIC 流程已相當成熟,以及 AMD Foundry Technology & Operations 團隊與台積電之間長達五年以上的深度合作;AMD 一直是 SoIC 的 lead customer。

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Source: AMD Advancing AI

While still on TSMC N6, the base die has received several speed upgrades. The remaining die-to-die link has been upgraded from a 4.8TB/s bisection equivalent to a 5.5TB/s bisection equivalent on MI350. The Infinity Fabric’s speed for scale-up has been boosted by 20%. More importantly, the memory controllers can now handle faster HBM3E. AMD has stuck with the tried and true CoWoS-S for AID and HBM attach, noting that the footprint has remained the same as on MI300.

base die 雖然仍採 TSMC N6,但速度已有多項升級。僅存的 die-to-die link,從相當於 4.8TB/s bisection 提升到 MI350 的 5.5TB/s;Infinity Fabric 的 scale-up 速度也提高 20%。更重要的是,memory controller 現在能支援速度更快的 HBM3E。AID 與 HBM 的封裝則繼續採用經過驗證的 CoWoS-S,而且 footprint 與 MI300 維持相同。

For the compute dies, the XCDs have seen a move from N5 to TSMC’s N3P node, with an updated CDNA4 architecture detailed below. This time, AMD has only enabled 32 of the 36 CUs printed on die, compared to 38 out of 40 on MI300. Interestingly, the orientation of the XCD on AID has changed, with the data bond pads landing in the central region of the AID. Data then proceeds outwards through the 256MB of Memory Attached Last Level (MALL) cache before ending up in HBM.

compute die 方面,XCD 從 N5 轉進 TSMC N3P,並採用下文會詳述的新版 CDNA4 架構。這次 AMD 只啟用 die 上 36 個 CU 中的 32 個,相較 MI300 是 40 個中啟用 38 個。有趣的是,XCD 在 AID 上的方向也有所改變,data bond pad 落在 AID 中央區域;資料再向外流經 256MB 的 Memory Attached Last Level(MALL)cache,最後到達 HBM。

Overall, the new chip packs 185 Billion transistors, a 21% increase over MI300. We estimate about 23 Billion transistors go into each AID, with 17.4 Billion transistors in each XCD. That would mean a 30% transistor budget increase going from N5 to N3P.

整體而言,新晶片包含 1,850 億顆電晶體,比 MI300 增加 21%。我們估計每個 AID 約使用 230 億顆電晶體,每個 XCD 則約 174 億顆;這代表從 N5 轉至 N3P 後,電晶體預算大約增加了 30%。

CDNA4 Microarchitecture (UArch)

AMD’s architecture design has gradually been shifting from a traditional HPC focus to one optimized for AI workloads. With CDNA 4, we see the residual influence of legacy HPC continuing to fade as AMD pivots even more into AI when it comes to architecture, though CDNA4 still wastes a lot of floor area on FP64 matrix core.

AMD 的架構設計正逐步從傳統 HPC 導向,轉為針對 AI 工作負載最佳化。到了 CDNA 4,傳統 HPC 留下的影響持續淡化,AMD 在架構上更加明確轉向 AI;不過 CDNA4 仍在 FP64 matrix core 上浪費了不少 die area。

CDNA 4 comes with 256 compute units (CUs), 160 KB of local data share (LDS – SMEM equivalent), and matrix cores running at 4,096 FLOPs per cycle per CU for FP16. Compared to CDNA 3, this is a 16% reduction in the number of CUs, a 1.5x increase in LDS capacity, and a 2x increase in matrix core throughput. These changes are all signs of architecture converging towards AI workloads with larger array sizes. HPC workloads typically benefit from large numbers of CUs, whereas AI workloads benefit from each CU computing large matrices, and these two requirements compete for power and area budgets. The increase in LDS capacity shows matrix cores are so fast that AMD needs to increase their secondary buffer size to feed the cores data fast enough. Given that AMD increased LDS instead of the typical staging buffer VGPR (RMEM equivalent), we suspect the next-generation matrix core would require big architectural changes to continue scaling matrix core performance.

CDNA 4 配備 256 個 compute unit(CU)、160KB local data share(LDS,可視為 SMEM 對應物),FP16 下每個 CU 的 matrix core 每 cycle 可執行 4,096 FLOPs。相較 CDNA 3,CU 數量減少 16%、LDS 容量增加 1.5 倍、matrix core throughput 則提高 2 倍。這些變化都顯示架構正朝較大 array size 的 AI 工作負載收斂。HPC 工作負載通常受益於大量 CU,而 AI 工作負載則更需要每個 CU 計算大型 matrix,兩者會競爭功耗與面積預算。LDS 容量增加,也顯示 matrix core 已快到 AMD 必須擴大 secondary buffer,才能足夠快地餵入資料。考量 AMD 增加的是 LDS,而不是典型的 staging buffer VGPR(可視為 RMEM 對應物),我們推測下一代 matrix core 若要繼續擴展效能,可能需要較大的架構變更。

CDNA 4 offers 2x the throughput over FP16 for FP8 and 4x the throughput for FP4. Interestingly, CDNA 4’s FP6 throughput is theoretically identical to its FP4 throughput, since FP6 and FP4 share a data path. However, FP6 throughput will still be slightly lower than FP4 throughput due to power limitations in real-life settings. This is different from Nvidia Blackwell, where FP6 throughput is labeled the same as that of FP8.

CDNA 4 的 FP8 throughput 是 FP16 的 2 倍,FP4 則是 4 倍。有趣的是,CDNA 4 的 FP6 與 FP4 共用 data path,因此理論上的 FP6 throughput 與 FP4 完全相同。不過在真實環境中受功耗限制影響,FP6 throughput 仍會略低於 FP4。這與 Nvidia Blackwell 不同,Blackwell 標示的 FP6 throughput 與 FP8 相同。

However, compared to Nvidia’s Blackwell design, CDNA 4 has no asynchronous features, data transfer acceleration hardware (such as sm90/sm100 TMA), TMA multicasting or specialized memory (sm100 TMEM). This leads to worse picoJoules per unit of intelligence on CDNA4 versus Nvidia’s SM100. As of writing, we are still waiting for details on ISA to see the changes in MFMA operations to see if there is a WGMMA equivalent. That said, CDNA 4 also shows that those features are needed to further scale performance, so we expect to see drastic architectural changes in CDNA-NEXT.

不過相較 Nvidia Blackwell 的設計,CDNA 4 缺乏 asynchronous feature、data transfer acceleration hardware(例如 sm90/sm100 TMA)、TMA multicasting,以及 specialized memory(sm100 TMEM)。因此 CDNA4 每單位 intelligence 所需的 picoJoule 表現劣於 Nvidia SM100。截至本文撰寫時,我們仍在等待 ISA 細節,以了解 MFMA operation 有哪些變化,以及是否存在 WGMMA 的對應機制。儘管如此,CDNA 4 也證明若要進一步擴展效能,這些功能確實不可或缺,因此我們預期 CDNA-NEXT 會出現幅度很大的架構變革。

AMD Advancing AI Developer Session Track is Disappointing

AMD has made great improvements this year to their developer content on the ROCM blog . We came to AMD Advancing AI hopeful that AMD would host many developer sessions across the stack but the set of talks and sessions left us underwhelmed. There were no talks on most of the AMD libraries from RCCL to Composable Kernels to rocSHMEM to aiter, etc. We hope that AMD will broaden the set of talks and seminars so as to allow developers to hone in more on their areas of interest in a more focused conference later on in the year.

AMD 今年在 ROCm blog 的開發者內容上已有很大進步 ↗。我們原本滿懷期待參加 AMD Advancing AI,希望 AMD 能針對整套 stack 舉辦大量 developer session,但實際的演講與 session 數量讓我們有些失望。從 RCCL、Composable Kernels、rocSHMEM 到 aiter 等多數 AMD 函式庫都沒有專門演講。我們希望 AMD 在今年稍晚更聚焦的 conference 中擴大 talk 與 seminar 的範圍,讓開發者能更深入鑽研自己關注的領域。

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Source: SemiAnalysis, Nvidia, AMD

RCCL – ROCm Collective Communication Library

AMD has announced that their new 400G NIC will be Ultra Ethernet (UEC) ready and will also support the existing RoCEv2 protocol as well as the new Ultra Ethernet transport (UEC) protocol. In UEC mode, this NIC will be able to support packet spraying with out of order direct placement into the GPU memory without using a NIC reordering buffer unlike Bluefield-3. AMD’s new in house 400G NIC will allow them to more easily vertically integrate software and improve the out of the box experience rather than relying on Nvidia’s CX-7 NIC or Broadcom’s Thor-2 NIC. Oracle as well as AMD Neoclouds such as Tensorwave have committed to adopting AMD’s NIC, though Meta is holding back as its initial testing has not yet made them comfortable with adopting the AMD NIC, and it instead will be using the ConnectX-7 NIC for their MI355X clusters. Broadcom’s Thor 2 and Thor 3 NICs have faced challenges when it comes to market adopting due AMD and Nvidia’s strategy to vertically integrate NICs into their solutions. However, we do think there is a place for Broadcom’s NICs in various ASIC program.

AMD 宣布新款 400G NIC 將支援 Ultra Ethernet(UEC),除了既有 RoCEv2 protocol,也支援新的 Ultra Ethernet transport(UEC)protocol。在 UEC mode 下,這張 NIC 可以支援 packet spraying,並將 out-of-order packet 直接放入 GPU memory,而不需要像 BlueField-3 那樣使用 NIC reordering buffer。AMD 自研 400G NIC 讓公司能更容易垂直整合軟體、改善開箱即用體驗,而不必依賴 Nvidia CX-7 或 Broadcom Thor-2。Oracle,以及 TensorWave 等 AMD Neocloud,都已承諾採用 AMD NIC;Meta 則仍持保留態度,因初步測試尚不足以讓其放心採用,因此 MI355X 叢集會改用 ConnectX-7。Broadcom Thor 2 與 Thor 3 NIC 在市場採用上面臨挑戰,原因之一正是 AMD 與 Nvidia 都採取把 NIC 垂直整合進自身方案的策略。不過我們仍認為 Broadcom NIC 在各類 ASIC program 中有其位置。

AMD’s in house 400GbE NIC also supports a number of interesting features such as the ability to offload all-gather collectives for algorithms like RING and PAT. AMD claims that CPU proxy threads will also be offloaded to the NIC, but we are not sure whether this means they are using IBGDA or doing something else.

AMD 自研 400GbE NIC 也支援一些有趣功能,例如可把 RING、PAT 等演算法的 all-gather collective offload 到 NIC。AMD 宣稱 CPU proxy thread 也會 offload 到 NIC,但我們還不確定這代表採用 IBGDA,還是使用其他做法。

ROCm 7.0’s RCCL communication library has also been released, unfortunately it yet again appears to be just a carbon copy fork of Nvidia’s NCCL and as such it remains a key bottleneck holding back AMD’s multi node capabilities. As we recommended in our AMD 2.0 article, we still think that AMD needs to completely rewrite their communication library from scratch instead of relying on forking Nvidia’s software.

ROCm 7.0 的 RCCL 通訊函式庫也已發布,但很可惜,它看起來再次只是 Nvidia NCCL 的直接 fork,因此仍是限制 AMD multi-node 能力的主要瓶頸。就像我們在 AMD 2.0 文章中的建議一樣,我們仍認為 AMD 應從零開始徹底重寫通訊函式庫,而不是繼續依賴 fork Nvidia 軟體。

New AMD Initiatives to Pay AI Engineers Market Rate

It is well known within the industry that most AMD AI engineers have been compensated somewhat below market rates . The only exceptions seem to be limited to a few new hires in recent months and engineers brought in through acquisitions. For example, most of the AI engineers that were bought in from NodAI, an acquisition from two years ago, are receiving significantly higher compensation than existing AMD engineers, even when equalizing for experience and skillset. Interestingly, AMD’s HR department already raised this issue a few quarters ago and recognized this pay disparity, raising it up the flag pole internally, but AMD management has yet to elevate this beyond a low priority issue. To this point, following our public article explaining that AMD pays well below market for their AI engineers , AMD’s Head of HR immediately elevated this matter to be a top priority are actively prioritizing a process to address these massive pay discrepancies – but implementation remains work in progress. Given that AMD has billions of dollars of cash on hand, we are hopeful AMD will do the right thing and pay a competitive total compensation to their top individual contributors that is also aligned with the success of AMD.

業界普遍知道,多數 AMD AI 工程師的薪酬略低於市場水準 ↗;例外似乎僅限近幾個月少數新進人員,以及透過併購加入的工程師。例如兩年前收購 NodAI 帶進來的大部分 AI 工程師,即使校正年資與能力差異後,薪酬仍顯著高於 AMD 原有工程師。有趣的是,AMD HR 幾季前其實就已注意到這個問題,承認薪酬落差並向內部高層反映,但管理層一直沒有把它提升到高優先層級。直到我們公開發文指出 AMD AI 工程師薪酬遠低於市場 ↗ 後,AMD 人資主管立即把這件事升為最高優先事項之一,並積極推動處理巨大薪酬落差的流程,但實際執行仍在進行中。考量 AMD 手上有數十億美元現金,我們希望公司能做正確的事,給予頂尖 individual contributor 具市場競爭力、且與 AMD 成功連動的 total compensation。

MI400 Series Flexible Input Output (I/O)

AMD has learned from their mistake on the MI300X in deploying an Infinity Fabric that was much worse than NVLink. They have also recognized they don’t have the hardware talent to execute on an NVSwitch equivalent. Furthermore, they also do not want to encroach on the industry ecosystem by verticalizing too much. As such, they have gone with the shotgun approach of supporting everything under the sun.

AMD 已從 MI300X 的錯誤中學到教訓:當時部署的 Infinity Fabric 明顯弱於 NVLink。AMD 也意識到,自己沒有足夠的硬體人才去打造 NVSwitch 的同級產品。此外,公司也不希望垂直整合過度、壓縮產業生態系空間。因此 AMD 採取了「全面支援」的 shotgun approach。

Enter flexible I/O lanes. Instead of utilizing separate SerDes and I/O paths for each different type of I/O such as PCIe and Scale Up, AMD offers 144 lanes of I/O that can support many different standards. These I/O lanes can support PCIe 6.0, Infinity Fabric at 64G, UALink at 128G, xGMI 4 at 128G (which is somewhat of a superset of UALink), as well as Infinity Fabric over Ethernet at 212G. This approach allows the AMD silicon team to maximum flexibility for various different use cases.

這就帶出 flexible I/O lane。AMD 不再為 PCIe、Scale Up 等每種 I/O 分別使用獨立 SerDes 與 I/O path,而是提供 144 條可支援多種標準的 I/O lane。這些 lane 可支援 PCIe 6.0、64G Infinity Fabric、128G UALink、128G xGMI 4(某種程度上可視為 UALink 的 superset),以及 212G Infinity Fabric over Ethernet。這種設計讓 AMD silicon team 能針對各種使用情境保有最大的彈性。

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Claim: MI400 flexible I/O 提供 144 lanes,可在同一組 I/O lanes 支援多種 standards,而非為 PCIe/scale-up 分離配置。
Frame: ATTRIBUTE · Mode: ASSERTED · Mapping: COMPLETE
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Claim: MI400 flexible I/O lanes 支援 PCIe 6.0、Infinity Fabric 64G、UALink 128G、xGMI4 128G、IF-over-Ethernet 212G。
Frame: ATTRIBUTE · Mode: ASSERTED · Mapping: COMPLETE
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With Flexible I/O, AMD can deploy scale up UALink or UALink over Ethernet. They can support SSDs directly attached to the GPU. They can attach NICs via UALink. The possibilities are almost endless. It is an incredibly large array of permutations for systems and allows for much change and evolution.

有了 Flexible I/O,AMD 可以部署 scale-up UALink 或 UALink over Ethernet,也能讓 SSD 直接連到 GPU,甚至透過 UALink 連接 NIC。可能的組合幾乎沒有上限,系統 permutation 非常龐大,也提供高度的變化與演進空間。

However, executing on the silicon engineering to allow these different forms of I/O is not easy. AMD must make SerDes and data paths that work with all of these different permutations. This is an incredibly hard engineering path fraught with engineering risk.

不過,要在 silicon engineering 層面真正支援這麼多種 I/O 形式並不容易。AMD 必須打造能相容各種 permutation 的 SerDes 與 data path,這是一條極度困難、工程風險很高的技術路線。

In the following sections, we will dive much deeper into the MI400 true rack-scale solution, discussing key scale-up architecture choices, explaining the full rack design with the help of elevation diagrams and board design illustrations. We will also provide a detailed bill of materials breakdown and a total cost of ownership and performance per TCO analysis.

接下來幾節,我們會更深入拆解 MI400 這套真正的 rack-scale solution,包括關鍵的 scale-up 架構選擇,並利用 elevation diagram 與 board design illustration 說明完整機櫃設計;同時也會提供詳細 BOM 拆解,以及 TCO 與 performance per TCO 分析。

While the MI400 chip has the UALink Serdes and AMD claims to use UALink for scale up, the reality is that the scale-up network is not truly UALink. As we said back in April , the MI400 had been expected to use Infinity Fabric over Ethernet utilizing Broadcom Ethernet switches. Indeed, this is still the plan, but the AMD marketing department has simply renamed Infinity Fabric over Ethernet to “UALink over Ethernet” or UALoE. The MI400 Series will be using 102.4T Broadcom Tomahawk 6 Ethernet switches and will run the UALink protocol on top of Ethernet.

雖然 MI400 晶片本身具有 UALink SerDes,AMD 也宣稱 scale-up 使用 UALink,但實際上這個 scale-up network 並不是真正的 UALink。我們早在四月就提過 ↗,MI400 原本預期會利用 Broadcom Ethernet switch,以 Infinity Fabric over Ethernet 實作。現在這仍是既定方案,只是 AMD 行銷部門把 Infinity Fabric over Ethernet 重新命名為「UALink over Ethernet」,簡稱 UALoE。MI400 Series 將使用 102.4T Broadcom Tomahawk 6 Ethernet switch,並在 Ethernet 上層執行 UALink protocol。

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Claim: MI400 Series 將使用 102.4T Broadcom Tomahawk 6 Ethernet switches,並在 Ethernet 上跑 UALink protocol。
Frame: NARY_RELATION · Mode: EXPECTED · Mapping: COMPLETE
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UALink tunneled over standard Ethernet” – Lisa Su

「在標準 Ethernet 上承載 UALink」—— Lisa Su

The reason why AMD could not deploy actual UALink is that UALink switches from Astera Labs and Marvell don’t come until 2027, and Broadcom did not want to develop an actual UALink switch.

AMD 無法部署真正 UALink 的原因,是 Astera Labs 與 Marvell 的 UALink switch 要到 2027 年才會推出,而 Broadcom 並不願意開發真正的 UALink switch。

It is well known that Broadcom stopped being actively involved in UALink a few quarters ago and instead started developing their own scale-up protocol called Scale Up Ethernet (Broadcom SUE). This left AMD in a tough spot as without a scale up switch in 2026, its systems would be uncompetitive against Nvidia. AMD begged Broadcom to come back to UALink and as a result, AMD agreed to change the specs of UALink to now include running the UALink protocol over Ethernet just as Broadcom wanted.

業界都知道 Broadcom 幾季前已停止積極參與 UALink,轉而開發自己的 scale-up protocol:Scale Up Ethernet(Broadcom SUE)。這讓 AMD 陷入困境,因為若 2026 年沒有 scale-up switch,其系統就難以與 Nvidia 競爭。AMD 因此極力希望 Broadcom 回到 UALink,而最終 AMD 同意修改 UALink 規格,納入 Broadcom 所希望的「在 Ethernet 上執行 UALink protocol」模式。

However, even though AMD is rolling out UALink over Ethernet instead of real UALink, that doesn’t mean that the MI400 can’t be competitive with VR200 NVL144. In fact, it could potentially be quite competitive as it has the same on paper scale up uni-di bandwidth of 1.8TByte/s per GPU and the same scale up world size of 72 logical GPUs.

不過,即使 AMD 推出的是 UALink over Ethernet 而非真正 UALink,也不代表 MI400 無法與 VR200 NVL144 競爭。事實上,MI400 可能相當有競爭力,因為紙面上的每 GPU scale-up uni-directional bandwidth 同樣是 1.8TByte/s,scale-up world size 也同樣為 72 顆 logical GPU。

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Claim: MI400 UALoE paper scale-up 為 1.8TByte/s per GPU、world size 72 logical GPUs,與 VR200 NVL144 同級。
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Source: AMD

Introducing the MI400 Helios Rack

Back in April, we wrote about our estimates of AMD’s rack architecture . At the AMD Advancing AI event, AMD announced the Helios Rack Architecture, which is slightly different from our estimates back in April.

今年四月,我們曾發文估算 AMD 的 rack architecture ↗。在 AMD Advancing AI 活動上,AMD 正式公布 Helios Rack Architecture,實際設計與我們四月的估算略有不同。

Edit: After the publication of our report, we discussed our estimates and analysis with people across the ecosystem, addressing various comments and questions and revising some of our forecasts.

編輯補充:報告發布後,我們與生態系各方人士討論了相關估算與分析,回應各種意見與問題,並修正部分預測。

We updated estimates to assume a higher TDP and higher BoM cost for the MI400, for the VR200, we now assume 50 PF Sparse TFLOPS and 33.3 PF Dense TFLOPS for FP4, and we also updated our estimates on networking costs and provide a few more additional configurations. Total cost of ownership and performance per TCO is also updated accordingly.

我們更新估算,對 MI400 採用更高 TDP 與更高 BoM 成本假設;VR200 部分則改為假設 FP4 為 50 PF Sparse TFLOPS、33.3 PF Dense TFLOPS。我們也更新 networking cost 估算並新增幾種 configuration,TCO 與 performance per TCO 也同步調整。

The MI400 rack could be competitive with the VR200 NVL144, offering 1.2x more FP8 and BF6 dense TFLOPs. The MI400 beats the VR200 in terms of both HBM capacity and bandwidth, and while it matches the VR200 in terms of Scale-up bandwidth per GPU, it offers 50% more scale-out networking bandwidth.

MI400 機櫃有機會與 VR200 NVL144 競爭,Dense FP8 與 BF6 TFLOPs 高出 1.2 倍。MI400 在 HBM 容量與頻寬上都優於 VR200;每 GPU scale-up bandwidth 與 VR200 相同,但 scale-out networking bandwidth 則多 50%。

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Source: SemiAnalysis Estimates

Below, we will go over the differences from our estimates back in April and the details of the Helio rack.

下面我們會說明目前 Helios 機櫃的細節,以及它與四月時我們估算的差異。

The Helio rack is wide - it appears to be about two ORV3 rack wide. The rack contains 18 compute trays split evenly - 9 at the top and 9 at the bottom with 6 UALoE switch trays in the middle of each group of compute trays. Each compute tray contains four MI400 GPUs, while each switch tray contains two Tomahawk 6 102.4T Ethernet switches running at 200G per lane. Overall, this rack is a scale up domain of 72 GPUs just like Nvidia’s Oberon architecture, hence the UALoE72 (UALink over Ethernet 72) nomenclature. This is different from our previous estimates of Infinity Fabric over Ethernet 64 (IFoE64) as 8 GPUs were added into the domain given customers prefer a 72 GPU scale up world size, and as such the marketing name accordingly changed to UALoE72.

Helios 機櫃非常寬,看起來大約相當於兩個 ORV3 rack 的寬度。機櫃內共有 18 個 compute tray,平均分成上下兩組:上方 9 個、下方 9 個;每組 compute tray 中間配置 6 個 UALoE switch tray。每個 compute tray 含 4 顆 MI400 GPU,而每個 switch tray 則有兩顆 Tomahawk 6 102.4T Ethernet switch,以每 lane 200G 運行。整個機櫃構成一個 72 GPU 的 scale-up domain,與 Nvidia Oberon 架構相同,因此命名為 UALoE72(UALink over Ethernet 72)。這與我們先前估計的 Infinity Fabric over Ethernet 64(IFoE64)不同,因為客戶偏好 72 GPU 的 scale-up world size,AMD 因此在 domain 中增加 8 顆 GPU,行銷名稱也隨之改成 UALoE72。

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Claim: Helios rack 約兩個 ORV3 rack 寬,含 18 compute trays(上/下各 9)以及中間的 UALoE switch trays。
Frame: ATTRIBUTE · Mode: ESTIMATED · Mapping: PARTIAL
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Claim: Helios 每 compute tray 含 4 顆 MI400 GPU;每 switch tray 含 2 顆 102.4T Tomahawk 6 Ethernet switches、200G/lane。
Frame: NARY_RELATION · Mode: ASSERTED · Mapping: COMPLETE
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Claim: MI400 Helios/UALoE72 scale-up domain 為 72 GPUs,與 Nvidia Oberon 的 world size 相同。
Frame: ATTRIBUTE · Mode: ASSERTED · Mapping: COMPLETE
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Source: AMD, SemiAnalysis Estimates

The compute tray layout is similar to Nvidia’s Cordelia board which was cancelled for GB300 and the MI400 GPUs will be socketed on to a baseboard. The major difference to the Cordelia board is that the LPDDR5 sits directly on both sides of the GPUs, hence the need for extra wide rack. The Venice CPU is placed at the front of the compute tray with slots available for 12 MRDIMM modules.

compute tray 配置類似 Nvidia 原本為 GB300 規劃、但後來取消的 Cordelia board;MI400 GPU 會以 socket 方式裝在 baseboard 上。與 Cordelia board 最大差異是 LPDDR5 直接位於 GPU 兩側,因此需要更寬的機櫃。Venice CPU 則放在 compute tray 前方,並提供 12 個 MRDIMM module 插槽。

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Claim: MI400 compute tray 將 LPDDR5 放在 GPU 兩側,Venice CPU 位於 tray 前方,並有 12 個 MRDIMM slots。
Frame: NARY_RELATION · Mode: ASSERTED · Mapping: COMPLETE
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We have already discussed the different level of memory access in the previous AMD 2.0 article . With the exception of HBM memory, all other system memory capacity is customizable and can be tailored to customer request.

我們在先前 AMD 2.0 文章 ↗ 已討論過不同層級的 memory access。除了 HBM 容量固定之外,其他所有 system memory capacity 都可以客製化,依照客戶需求調整。

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Source: AMD, SemiAnalysis Estimates

In our AMD 2.0 article, we also outlined three different possible back-end network configurations. The most aggressive of these featured a total scale-out bandwidth per GPU of 2.4 Tbit/s accomplished by using three 800G Pensando Vulcano NIC modules connected to a single GPU occupying each of four I/O bay. With four GPUs per tray, these four I/O bays are required to achieve the desired 2.8Tbit/s scale out bandwidth. We believe this is also the reason that an extra wide chassis was chosen as the standard ORV3 chassis can only support up to two I/O bays.

在 AMD 2.0 文章中,我們也列出三種可能的 back-end network configuration。其中最激進的方案,是每顆 GPU 總 scale-out bandwidth 達 2.4Tbit/s,做法是在四個 I/O bay 中,每個 bay 放置連到單顆 GPU 的三個 800G Pensando Vulcano NIC module。由於每個 tray 有 4 顆 GPU,必須具備這四個 I/O bay 才能達到目標的 2.8Tbit/s scale-out bandwidth。我們認為這也是選用超寬 chassis 的原因之一,因為標準 ORV3 chassis 最多只能支援兩個 I/O bay。

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Source: AMD, SemiAnalysis Estimates

Within the compute tray, the scale-up link will function for the most part the same as we estimated back in April. The major difference when it comes to scale-up is once again the name change of the scale up link from IFoE to UALoE, but the scale up bandwidth of MI400s of 1.8TB/s (uni-directional) per GPU achieved using 72 lanes of 200Gbit/s each is the same as we estimated previously.

compute tray 內部的 scale-up link 大致會如我們四月估計的方式運作。scale-up 方面最大的差異再次只是名稱從 IFoE 改成 UALoE;MI400 每顆 GPU 的 scale-up bandwidth 仍是我們先前估計的 1.8TB/s(單向),由 72 條、每條 200Gbit/s 的 lane 組成。

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Claim: MI400 scale-up bandwidth 為每 GPU 1.8TB/s 單向,使用 72 lanes × 200Gbit/s。
Frame: ATTRIBUTE · Mode: ASSERTED · Mapping: COMPLETE
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As a result of this, at least at the marketing level, most of the flexible I/O lanes coming out of the GPU will be on the UALink protocol: UALink to the Vulcano NICs, xGMI4 (a subset of UALink) to the CPU, and the aforementioned UALoE for the scale up network for communicating with GPUs in different compute trays. In the chart we colored all the “UALink” protocol lanes as purple.

因此至少在行銷定義上,從 GPU 拉出的 flexible I/O lane 大多會使用 UALink protocol:Vulcano NIC 使用 UALink、CPU 使用 xGMI4(UALink 的 subset),而跨不同 compute tray 與 GPU 通訊的 scale-up network 則使用前述 UALoE。我們在圖表中把所有「UALink」protocol lane 都標成紫色。

The MI450X GPU will have direct access to three different levels of memory, which indicates that the rack solution will be optimized for inference workloads as the availability of multiple memory tiers enables more efficient KVCaching. It is also interesting to see a direct PCIe channel between GPU and SSD, whereas for the GB200, the GPU still accesses NVMe storage via the Grace CPU. The four tiers of memory are:

MI450X GPU 將可直接存取三種不同層級的 memory,這顯示這套 rack solution 會針對推論工作負載最佳化,因為多層 memory tier 能讓 KV Cache 更有效率。另一個有趣之處,是 GPU 與 SSD 之間存在直接 PCIe channel;相較之下,GB200 的 GPU 仍需透過 Grace CPU 存取 NVMe storage。四層 memory 如下:

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Claim: MI450X GPU 預計可直接存取三層 memory;SemiAnalysis 認為此 multi-tier memory 設計有利 inference 的 KV caching。
Frame: ATTRIBUTE · Mode: EXPECTED · Mapping: COMPLETE
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In-package HBM (288GB/432GB, 18TB/s)

封裝內 HBM(288GB/432GB,18TB/s)

Direct GPU Attached LPDDR5X through custom HBM (819GB/s)

透過客製 HBM 介面的 GPU 直連 LPDDR5X(819GB/s)

Direct attached PCIe linked SSD

直接連接的 PCIe SSD

CPU MR DIMM DDR5 over 16 lanes of 64G Infinity Fabric

透過 16 條 64G Infinity Fabric 連接的 CPU MRDIMM DDR5

The Direct GPU attached LPDDR5X is similar to the architecture of Rubin Ultra. The Direct attached PCIe linked SSD similar to NVIDIA HGX’s local NVMe GPUDirect Storage.

GPU 直連 LPDDR5X 的架構與 Rubin Ultra 類似;直接以 PCIe 連接 SSD 的方式,則類似 NVIDIA HGX 的 local NVMe GPUDirect Storage。

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Source: AMD, SemiAnalysis Estimates

The UALink over Ethernet (UALoE) switch tray contains two Tomahawk 6 102.4T Ethernet switches and four connectors of 432 differential pairs each, equaling to 216 lanes of UALink at 200G each. The UALoE switch tray also includes one small host x86 CPU.

UALink over Ethernet(UALoE)switch tray 內含兩顆 Tomahawk 6 102.4T Ethernet switch,以及四個各有 432 組 differential pair 的 connector,換算後相當於 216 條、每條 200G 的 UALink lane。UALoE switch tray 內也包含一顆小型 host x86 CPU。

UALoE links enter the switch tray through the backplane connectors. Then, half of the lanes from each connectors are split evenly and routed to each TH6 Ethernet switch via flyover copper cables. However, we believe that a more ideal design would have been for the UALoE lanes to be routed over PCB traces instead, as flyover copper can limit serviceability and thermal efficiency. Nvidia initially used a similar design in its NVSwitch tray, but the flyover cables occupied too much space, leading them to eventually switch to PCB traces for better serviceability and airflow.

UALoE link 透過 backplane connector 進入 switch tray,之後每個 connector 的一半 lane 會平均分配,利用 flyover copper cable 連到兩顆 TH6 Ethernet switch。不過我們認為更理想的設計,是讓 UALoE lane 走 PCB trace,因為 flyover copper 可能限制維修便利性與散熱效率。Nvidia 最初在 NVSwitch tray 也用過類似設計,但 flyover cable 占用空間太多,最後改用 PCB trace,以改善可維修性與 airflow。

At 200G per lane, each 102.4T switch offers 512 ports, for a total of 1024 ports in the UALoE switch tray. However, with only 216 lanes entering per UALoE copper connector—864 lanes total—this results in 160 unused ports, or 80 ports wasted per TH6 Ethernet switch. This is because AMD can only utilize off the shelf switches from Broadcom, which are only available in multiples of 51.2T that map better to a 64 GPU rack, whereas multiples of 57.6T map better to 72 GPU racks.

以每 lane 200G 計算,每顆 102.4T switch 可提供 512 個 port,因此整個 UALoE switch tray 共 1,024 個 port。但每個 UALoE copper connector 只有 216 條 lane,四個 connector 合計 864 條,因此會有 160 個 port 閒置,也就是每顆 TH6 Ethernet switch 浪費 80 個 port。原因是 AMD 只能使用 Broadcom 現成 switch,而這些產品的頻寬是以 51.2T 的倍數提供,更適合對應 64 GPU 機櫃;若是 72 GPU 機櫃,57.6T 的倍數會更匹配。

By comparison, the GB200 NVL72’s employs 18 28.8T NVSwitches, which are the perfect aggregate bandwidth for connecting to each of the 72 GPUs with 400Gbit/s of bandwidth (uni-di) each. Each GPU features 7,200 Gbit/s (uni-di) of scale-up bandwidth, which when split across each of the 18 switches matches the 400 Gbit/s mentioned above with no wastage at all. This issue illustrates the disadvantage in vertical integration for AMD when compared to Nvidia.

相較之下,GB200 NVL72 使用 18 顆 28.8T NVSwitch,aggregate bandwidth 恰好可以連接 72 顆 GPU,每顆 GPU 對每顆 switch 提供 400Gbit/s 單向頻寬。每顆 GPU 的 scale-up bandwidth 為 7,200Gbit/s(單向),分散到 18 顆 switch 後正好是前述每顆 400Gbit/s,完全沒有浪費。這個問題清楚反映 AMD 相較 Nvidia 在垂直整合程度上的劣勢。

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Source: AMD, SemiAnalysis Estimates

With just six switch trays, the UALoE signal travels a shorter distance compared to NVLink in the Oberon GB200, which uses nine units of switch trays. Additionally, there is an even number of compute trays above and below the switch trays, allowing signals to travel equal distances in both directions.

UALoE 只有 6 個 switch tray,因此訊號傳輸距離比 Oberon GB200 的 NVLink 更短,後者使用 9 個 switch tray。此外,switch tray 上下方的 compute tray 數量相同,讓兩個方向的訊號傳輸距離也能維持一致。

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Source: AMD, SemiAnalysis Estimates

The MI500 Series UAL256 Concept – Next Gen 2027 Rack

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With accelerator companies continuing to push the limits of rack power density and inventing new paradigms for datacenter architecture, Jensen is not the only one to tip his hand to the industry in order to allow it ample time to prepare.

隨著 accelerator 公司持續把 rack power density 推向極限,並創造新的資料中心架構典範,為了讓產業有足夠時間準備,提前透露未來方向的並不只有 Jensen。

At end of 2027, AMD will release their MI500 Scale Up Mega Pod which will consist of 256 MI500 chips across three interconnected racks. The outer two racks will house 32 compute trays per rack, while the middle rack will hold 18 switch trays. That amounts to a total of 64 compute trays per Mega Pod. Each Mega Pod will have a total of 256 physical/logical GPU packages versus just 144 physical/logical GPU packages for the VR300 NVL576.

2027 年底,AMD 將推出 MI500 Scale Up Mega Pod,由三個互相連接的機櫃、共 256 顆 MI500 晶片組成。左右兩個外側機櫃各放 32 個 compute tray,中間機櫃則放 18 個 switch tray,因此每個 Mega Pod 合計有 64 個 compute tray。整套 Mega Pod 總共有 256 個實體/邏輯 GPU package,相較之下 VR300 NVL576 只有 144 個實體/邏輯 GPU package。

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Source: SemiAnalysis Estimates

If AMD can execute on the MI500 UAL256, it could potentially crush Nvidia’s VR300 NVL576 Kyber rack, but this will be far from easy given the significant engineering and product ramps that this ambition design will require. Even if AMD takes a step back and de-risks the design by opting to go with an MI500 UAL128 design with just 128 physical/logical chips - this could still be competitive with VR300 NVL576 though it will fall short of decisively crushing Nvidia’s competing system.

如果 AMD 能順利執行 MI500 UAL256,這套系統有機會大幅壓過 Nvidia VR300 NVL576 Kyber rack;但要做到並不容易,因為這項雄心勃勃的設計需要非常大的工程挑戰與產品 ramp。即使 AMD 稍微退一步,為降低風險改採只有 128 個實體/邏輯晶片的 MI500 UAL128,仍可能與 VR300 NVL576 競爭,只是無法形成決定性的壓倒性優勢。

MI350X, MI355X, MI400 Series UALoE72 Bill Of Materials and Total Cost of Ownership

The MI400 Helios rack is composed of 18 compute trays, each containing four GPUs and one Venice CPU. Each tray also includes 12 Pensando Vulcano NICs at 800G for backend scale-up networking, three NICs per GPU. The BOM cost per compute tray is $210k.

MI400 Helios 機櫃由 18 個 compute tray 組成,每個 tray 含 4 顆 GPU 與 1 顆 Venice CPU。每個 tray 另外配備 12 張 800G Pensando Vulcano NIC,作為 backend scale-out networking,每顆 GPU 對應 3 張 NIC。每個 compute tray 的 BoM 成本約為 21 萬美元。

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Claim: MI400 Helios 有 18 compute trays;每 tray 4 GPUs + 1 Venice CPU + 12 個 800G Vulcano NICs,compute-tray BOM 約 $210k。
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The system also contains 6 switch trays, whose major cost items are the two 102.4T switches based on Tomahawk 6 ASICs. The BOM cost per switch tray is 4.2 million.

系統另外還有 6 個 switch tray,主要成本來自兩顆以 Tomahawk 6 ASIC 為核心的 102.4T switch。每個 switch tray 的 BoM 成本約 3.1 萬美元。合計下來,整套 72 GPU Helios 機櫃的總 BoM 成本約 420 萬美元。

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Claim: Helios 含 6 switch trays,每 tray 2 個 102.4T Tomahawk 6 switches,BOM 約 4.2M。
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It is important to note that some analysts are assuming that AMD will integrate the scale-up switch tray in the same way the Nvidia currently does for their switch trays and copper backplane for the GB200 NVL72. This would mean that AMD would likely place a 40-50% gross margin on top of all the switch tray components, which would roughly double the ASP of the switch tray. We disagree with this hypothesis and think that AMD will be working with ODMs to integrate the switch tray. We also do not think it is logical for AMD to add a 2x markup on top of the Tomahawk 6 switch used in the scale-up switch tray as Broadcom’s margin is already baked into the BoM cost assumed for the Tomahawk 6 switch. However, we have added a low integration margin for the switch tray to reflect the added complexity of integrating this system.

值得注意的是,有些分析師假設 AMD 會像 Nvidia 目前整合 GB200 NVL72 的 switch tray 與 copper backplane 一樣,自行整合 scale-up switch tray。若如此,AMD 很可能會在所有 switch tray 零組件成本上再加 40~50% gross margin,讓 switch tray ASP 大致翻倍。我們不同意這個假設,認為 AMD 會與 ODM 合作進行 switch tray 整合。我們也不認為 AMD 有理由在 scale-up switch tray 使用的 Tomahawk 6 switch 上再加 2 倍 markup,因為我們的 BoM 成本假設本來就已包含 Broadcom 的利潤。不過,考量整合這套系統確實增加複雜度,我們仍為 switch tray 納入較低的 integration margin。

Source: Semianalysis TCO model

The MI355 appears to offer a significant total cost of ownership (TCO) advantage over Nvidia’s B200/ B300 series. Its all-in capital cost per chip is ~45% lower than that of Nvidia’s B200 HGX, primarily due to much lower chip pricing and the much lower transceiver and switch pricing that come from not relying solely on Nvidia-supplied components. Networking costs are a like for like comparison as well given that both the MI355X and the B200 both offer 400Gbit/s of scale-out networking bandwidth per GPU.

MI355 相較 Nvidia B200/B300 系列似乎具有顯著的總持有成本(TCO)優勢。其每顆晶片 all-in capital cost 約比 Nvidia B200 HGX 低 45%,主因是晶片售價明顯較低,而且不必完全依賴 Nvidia 供應的零組件,因此 transceiver 與 switch 價格也低很多。networking cost 的比較也是同基準,因為 MI355X 與 B200 每顆 GPU 都提供 400Gbit/s 的 scale-out networking bandwidth。

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Source: SemiAnalysis TCO model

Operating costs for AMD’s servers are similar to Nvidia’s as they generally have comparable TDPs and most operating costs scale with respect to IT power requirements.

AMD server 的 operating cost 與 Nvidia 大致相近,因為兩者 TDP 通常相當,而多數營運成本會隨 IT power requirement 變動。

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Source: Semianalysis TCO model

Overall, the MI355’s TCO is ~30% below that of Nvidia’s B200 HGX, with the MI355 coming in at a TCO of 1.97 per hour per GPU.

整體而言,MI355 的 TCO 約比 Nvidia B200 HGX 低 30%;MI355 每 GPU 每小時 TCO 約 1.38 美元,而 B200 HGX 約 1.97 美元。

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Source: Semianalysis TCO model

The MI355 also delivers advantageous TCO per compute performance. At FP4, its TCO per PFLOPS is ~60% of the closest competitors’ (B300 and GB300 NVL). At FP8, its TCO per PFLOPS is ~50% of the closest competitor’s (B200 HGX), while at FP6 the TCO per PFLOPS is a whopping 75% lower than for the B200. However, in terms of compute per power consumption, MI355 also outperforms competing chips with 22% lower TFLOPS/W compared to the B200.

MI355 在 compute performance 對 TCO 的表現上也具優勢。FP4 下,其每 PFLOPS TCO 約只有最接近競品(B300 與 GB300 NVL)的 60%;FP8 下約為最接近競品 B200 HGX 的 50%;FP6 則更大幅低於 B200 約 75%。不過若看每瓦算力,原文指出 MI355 相較 B200 的 TFLOPS/W 低 22%。

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Source: SemiAnalysis TCO model

Comparing AMD and Nvidia’s true rack scale offerings, the MI400 series’ total cluster all-in capital cost per GPU when using Arista networking is ~12% lower than Nvidia’s VR200 NVL144 when using InfiniBand networking due to lower chip pricing as well as the availability of less expensive Ethernet networking switches and the use of transceivers from vendors other than Nvidia.

比較 AMD 與 Nvidia 真正的 rack-scale 方案時,若 MI400 cluster 採用 Arista networking,其每 GPU total cluster all-in capital cost 約比採 InfiniBand networking 的 Nvidia VR200 NVL144 低 12%。原因除了晶片價格較低,也包括能採用較便宜的 Ethernet switch,以及使用 Nvidia 以外供應商的 transceiver。

We focus on comparing total capital costs for an MI400 cluster using Arista networking to the VR200 NVL144 using InfiniBand networking. We think this is an appropriate comparison because many of the initiatives that were announced at GTC Paris were Neocloud and AI Lab focused, while much of AMD’s recent efforts are at bootstrapping a more robust Neocloud ecosystem. As such – we think one of the most important battlefronts between the MI400 and the VR200 will be in the Neocloud space, with Arista and InfiniBand networking being the primary choice for each respective product. With that said, there were many Hyperscaler and AI Lab logos at AMD’s Advancing AI event, so we also provide total cost of ownership for Arista and WhiteBox for both the MI400 and the VR200 NVL144.

我們主要比較採 Arista networking 的 MI400 cluster,與採 InfiniBand networking 的 VR200 NVL144 之總資本成本。我們認為這是合理比較,因為 GTC Paris 宣布的許多措施都聚焦 Neocloud 與 AI Lab,而 AMD 近期也投入大量資源扶植更完整的 Neocloud 生態系。因此,我們認為 MI400 與 VR200 最重要的戰場之一會在 Neocloud,其中兩者主要 networking 選擇分別是 Arista 與 InfiniBand。不過 AMD Advancing AI 活動上也出現許多 hyperscaler 與 AI Lab logo,因此我們也同時提供 MI400 與 VR200 NVL144 在 Arista 與 WhiteBox networking 下的 TCO。

Subscribers of our AI Total Cost of Ownership Model have full access to the networking costs by category for each of these configurations, complete with a full BoM build up including units and unit costs.

訂閱我們 AI Total Cost of Ownership Model ↗ 的使用者,可完整查看各種 configuration 按類別拆分的 networking cost,以及包含數量與單價的完整 BoM build-up。

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Source: SemiAnalysis TCO model

The MI400 has a much higher all-in power consumption per server than the VR200 NVL144 at 240kW for the MI400 vs 187kW for the VR200 NVL144. This results in a higher operating cost of ownership of 0.67/hr/GPU for the VR200 NVL144.

MI400 每台 server 的 all-in power consumption 遠高於 VR200 NVL144,MI400 為 240kW,VR200 NVL144 則為 187kW。因此 MI400 每 GPU 每小時 operating cost of ownership 約 0.85 美元,高於 VR200 NVL144 的 0.67 美元。

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Source: SemiAnalysis TCO model

The MI400 only has a 4.5% lower total cost of ownership vs the VR200 NVL144 using InfiniBand networking given the higher operating cost of ownership of the MI400. An MI400 cluster using Arista networking would have a 1.7% higher TCO than a VR200 NVL144 cluster also using Arista networking, while an MI400 cluster using WhiteBox networking would have just a 1% higher TCO than a VR200 NVL144 cluster also using WhiteBox networking.

由於 MI400 的 operating cost 較高,在 VR200 NVL144 採 InfiniBand networking 的比較下,MI400 總 TCO 僅低 4.5%。若雙方都採 Arista networking,MI400 cluster 的 TCO 反而比 VR200 NVL144 高 1.7%;若雙方都採 WhiteBox networking,MI400 的 TCO 則高約 1%。

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Claim: SemiAnalysis TCO model 中,MI400 對比使用 InfiniBand 的 VR200 NVL144 只低約 4.5% TCO。
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Source: SemiAnalysis TCO model

When it comes to performance per TCO, the MI400 delivers better performance per TCO in terms of Memory Bandwidth as well as PFLOPS for FP4 Dense, FP6 Dense and FP8 Dense than the VR200 NVL144 regardless of the networking solution employed for the VR200. However, its much higher power draw per GPU package means that it delivers slightly less TFLOPS per Watt compared to the VR200 NVL144.

若看 performance per TCO,不論 VR200 採用哪種 networking solution,MI400 在 Memory Bandwidth,以及 FP4 Dense、FP6 Dense、FP8 Dense 的 PFLOPS 指標上,都提供比 VR200 NVL144 更好的 performance per TCO。不過 MI400 每個 GPU package 的功耗高很多,因此 TFLOPS/W 反而略低於 VR200 NVL144。

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Claim: SemiAnalysis 估計 MI400 在 memory-bandwidth 與 FP4/FP6/FP8 dense PFLOPS 的 perf/TCO 優於 VR200 NVL144,但 TFLOPS/W 略低。
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Source: Semianalysis TCO model